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If we keep this going much longer we are going to start going around in circles, we are already off topic anyway.

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"Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality."

With regards to points 1, 2 they have there own terminology to separate them in terms of law not group them together.

That would be relevant if I were arguing that piracy was legally classified as a criminal offense. But I'm not. I'm arguing it's theft.

Common consensus in that matter is not as black and white as you think people believe it is.

Then try this. Ask, as a general question, "is theft of services theft?" See how many people try to seriously argue it isn't.

my argument is you should think of things as as black and white as you and Velvet is.

And my argument is that sometimes things really are as simple as they look.

To the last point, yes, computer, laptop, living, rent, textbooks and college are all free so I had a shit load of money floating around.

Doesn't mean you had no money. It means you valued those things more than games. Or it could also mean you preferred to spend money on things that aren't convenient to steal, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the former. And that's fine. But what's not fine is acting as if games are something you are entitled to, whether you feel like spending your money on them or on other things.

I take greater exception for people who tell me I'm not allowed my point for view

Denying the simple reality of piracy is not a "point of view." Nor is it being open minded. It's rationalization, and a flimsy one. You might as well say that the flat earth society is a point of view.

Denying the simple reality of piracy is not a "point of view." Nor is it being open minded. It's rationalization, and a flimsy one. You might as well say that the flat earth society is a point of view.

Your not reading my posts in context anymore so I'm going to stop arguing back, that line had nothing to do with subject we are arguing.

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"Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality."

Your not reading my posts in context anymore so I'm going to stop arguing back,

How does "context" change the meaning of what you said in a manner that invalidates my response? I don't see how it does - you are elevating a fallacy to the status of "point of view," as if attacking a fallacy somehow infringed on your rights.

The end point is that video games are not a NEED, there is no way to justify taking them without paying. NONE. You can try to justify pickpocketing for food or what-have-you but there is NO justification forn downloading media without paying for it because there is no need for media.

Period.

As cranky said on a computer stealing is so easy and so tempting that people come up with justifications for theft so they do not feel like a criminal, like they are a bad person. These excuses range from their low income, the supposed high income of developers (which is a joke), protesting against DRM (as if not buying OR playing it doesn't do the same), protesting the evil capitalist system (move to China) or whatever else.

It's all BS. It is all justification for bad behavior to avoid feeling like a selfish asshole, even though you are acting like a selfish asshole. I can say this with 100% clarity and confidance.

Know why?

Because games are not a need. They are a want. There is no justification for taking them without compensating the creators and owners. None. Not one.

It is a black and white issue. Some are, believe it or not. It is never acceptable to run over pedestrians to get to work faster, for instance. That's a black and white issue. So is this, because...

Again...

Games are a want. Not a need. Never ever are they a need. There is no justification on this planet for taking them without paying. None.

If we keep this going much longer we are going to start going around in circles, we are already off topic anyway.

agreed
let's stop here... please ... guys

I was too going to reply, but as always when the subject slide this far, it never goes anywhere anyway
so why not keep our different point of views & opinions to ourselves okay ? before a moderator or something comes here and unleash its wrath ;)

Yeah, heaven forbid we use a forum to discuss stuff.

We all have different opinions, let's never post anything and agree to disagree.

As long as everyone agrees to recognize JugoRthé, supreme god of arguments, I will allow this to continue.

No matter what the scenario, no one wins in the battle between piracy and Intellectual Property. Honest consumers lose because they have to jump through hoops to do what they want with the items they have purchased. Developers lose because they catch lots of flak when DRM systems balls up the program. Publishers lose because they either lose revenue or have people hate them for draconian restrictions placed upon their products.

About the only winner of this sorry state of affairs is Sony DADC.

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I quite liked Assassin's Creed, so I was looking forward to Assassin's Creed 2. However, there is no way I'll buy or play it with all the nonsense they'll make me do just to stop pirates for... what, a couple of weeks?

The thing I find fascinating is this:

Remember all the furore over Mass Effect and Bioware stating that it would need to reactivate ever 10 days (10 plays, I forget which) and would lock you out if you CD Key had been Keygenned? This DRM is as bad or worse, so where is the internet outcry? I suspect that people have come to one of four conclusions:

1) We'll get fucked anyway, so there's no point in bothering.
2) 'Tis inevitable.
3) Oh well, I'll not buy it then.
4) Oh well, I'll wait for it to be cracked.

Option four covers both the possibilities of copyright infringement and buying game and running it via crack.

Yeah, heaven forbid we use a forum to discuss stuff.

We all have different opinions, let's never post anything and agree to disagree.

Sure but I'm beginning to saw the very same arguments that were debated over & over and nearly locked a couple of threads not so long ago
but hey after all, I'm not a moderator either so feel free to ignore me ;)

Also some points a few people made lack a bit of content to back up their opinion,(however I'm not pointing to anyone in particular)
and let's face it, just saying : "it is like I say" (oversimplified for the purpose of example) ain't going to solve the matter at hand ...