Is anyone else as interested as me in creating a console games widescreen list?
For me the interest lies in simply knowing what kind of behavior the widescreen applications are. I ALSO think for multi-plat games that involve the PC, it might shed light on intended behaviors/FOVs.
There would be a list for 360, PS3, Wii, and then a handful of games from XBox 1, PS2, GCN, and N64. I'd love to know if Perfect Dark is Hor+ or Vert-, and same for Metroid Primes (vs MP:Trilogy on Wii), and Steel Battalion, and Final Fantasy XII, and God of War (vs GoW Collection on PS3)
Because I want to know which aspect gives me more, and never play anything but.
I think this site is the perfect place for such a simple list. The best part is typically only 2 aspects to flip between, and no solutions or anything to have to write about. Just what the behavior is.
I'll offer up the info for whatever console games I have access to atm. Here's previous gen titles I own that have widescreen, but alas most of it is away in another city so I cannot test...
[list]
-PS2 widescreen-
Bully
Dragon Quest VIII
Final Fantasy XI
Final Fantasy XII
God of War
God of War II
Guitar Hero 2
Mortal Kombat Armageddon
Shadow of the Colossus
Soul Calibur III
Tekken 5
Valkyrie Profile 2: Silmeria
Xenosaga 2
Xenosaga 3
-Xbox widescreen-
Black
Burnout Takedown
Dance Dance Revolutions
Doom 3
Full Spectrum Warrior
Grand Theft Auto 3......................................Vert-
Grand Theft Auto Vice City............................Vert-
Grand Theft Auto San Andreas........................Vert-
Halo 2........................................................ Hor+
Mech Assault 2 : Lone Wolf
Mercenaries
Ninja Gaiden Black..........................................Hor+
Panzer Dragoon Orta
Prince of Persia: The Two Thrones
Prince of Persia: The Warrior Within
Steel Battalion: Line of Contact (720p too)
Super Monkey Ball Deluxe
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory
-GCN widescreen-
Eternal Darkness
F-Zero Gx
Soul Calibur II
-N64 widescreen-
Banjo Tooie
Goldeneye 007...........................................Hor+
Jet Force Gemini
Perfect Dark..............................................Hor+[/list:u]
proposed Console Games list....
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Because I want to know which aspect gives me more, and never play anything but.
I don't think you understand the purpose of this site.
Though i see nothing wrong with your suggestion to create a list for console specific game WS implementations. I'm just not sure i understand your intentions correctly.
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either standard or widescreen mode on any given one of those games will give you more viewable area than the other, or possibly exactly the same in cases of anamorphic implementations.
do you get it?
one has more
the other less
imagine now, a person wants to play in the mode that has, gosh golly gee, MORE to see.
imagine a list, that informs people which mode that is!
is this still over your head?
do you get it?
one has more
the other less
imagine now, a person wants to play in the mode that has, gosh golly gee, MORE to see.
imagine a list, that informs people which mode that is!
is this still over your head?
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g00seberry
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Re: proposed Console Games list....
While a list like that could be possible, it is probably somewhat redundant.
Most to all current gen games support widescreen. I believe it's a requirement for 360 games, however whether the implementation is correct or not cannot be guaranteed. This site is here to offer solutions via edits and hacks for PC games which do not implement it correctly. The same could not be done for consoles. It would be a list of simply "Yes" or "No" with solutions that are unattainable. Would that be worth it?
Any games which didn't support widescreen would likely be over 3, 4 years old. As it is, we retire PC games that old from our MGL which do have solutions, so the longevity of such a list for consoles would be slim at best.
Most to all current gen games support widescreen. I believe it's a requirement for 360 games, however whether the implementation is correct or not cannot be guaranteed. This site is here to offer solutions via edits and hacks for PC games which do not implement it correctly. The same could not be done for consoles. It would be a list of simply "Yes" or "No" with solutions that are unattainable. Would that be worth it?
Any games which didn't support widescreen would likely be over 3, 4 years old. As it is, we retire PC games that old from our MGL which do have solutions, so the longevity of such a list for consoles would be slim at best.
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@_@ ....what?
There are already lists about which games have widescreen. THOSE say "yes" or "no". This would be a database of what. kind. of. widescreen.
ie. Is Perfect Dark Vert- or Hor+ for its widescreen mode. Is God of War II Vert- or Hor+ for its widescreen mode. Perhaps ALL 360 games are Hor+. I don't know.
Jesus I'm aware of what the site currently does, that's why this is a proposed addition. And a simple one. Forgive me for thinking the "widescreen gaming forum" might be interested in a currently uncovered topic on "widescreen gaming".
Once you "retire" a game from the MGL (which is another possible debate for another time) - does it cease to exist from the site? Does the information about what kind of widescreen implementation or how to acheieve said implementation disappear? No? So how praytell, would a video game list that's "retired" still not do what it's one purpose was always to do - provide information.
There are already lists about which games have widescreen. THOSE say "yes" or "no". This would be a database of what. kind. of. widescreen.
ie. Is Perfect Dark Vert- or Hor+ for its widescreen mode. Is God of War II Vert- or Hor+ for its widescreen mode. Perhaps ALL 360 games are Hor+. I don't know.
Jesus I'm aware of what the site currently does, that's why this is a proposed addition. And a simple one. Forgive me for thinking the "widescreen gaming forum" might be interested in a currently uncovered topic on "widescreen gaming".
Once you "retire" a game from the MGL (which is another possible debate for another time) - does it cease to exist from the site? Does the information about what kind of widescreen implementation or how to acheieve said implementation disappear? No? So how praytell, would a video game list that's "retired" still not do what it's one purpose was always to do - provide information.
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I'm sorry if you interpretted me as trying to be offensive. I'm merely confused about this "which shows more" way of describing different aspect ratios. There's a right way to do widescreen. (As you yourself say) But i don't think you understand what it is that you're saying because you keep referring to "seeing more" rather than it just simply being the correct WS implementation.
So yes. A list of console games and whether or not they are vert-, hor+, stretched widescreen (either hor/vert or both), letterboxed, side bits, megaratio thingy, vert+ (lol!) etc. etc. would be wicked
So yes. A list of console games and whether or not they are vert-, hor+, stretched widescreen (either hor/vert or both), letterboxed, side bits, megaratio thingy, vert+ (lol!) etc. etc. would be wicked
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now i think you're just arguing semantics, and you really need to stop suggesting I don't know what I'm talking about and stick to you don't know what I'm talking about.
I'll try one last time to spell it out.
All arguments about how to do widescreen aside, (whether that's Vert- or Hor+ for example),
either Standard mode, or Widescreen mode, when selected for a game, will show you MORE viewable area than the other.
It could be that widescreen shows you more than Standard mode, cuz the game has a Hor+ implementation.
OR it could be that Standard mode shows you more than Widescreen mode, cuz the game has a Vert- implementation.
Do you see how one mode has more to see than the other?
SOME people will want to play on widescreen regardless of whether they are seeing more, less (or the same amount) as widescreen.
SOME people will prefer to play on whatever mode allows them to see the most viewable area. IE, if God of War 2 is Vert- for widescreen, then screw that and I'll stick to playing the game on Standard, even on my widescreen set.
The list would simply state what kind of widescreen the game has. Hor+ / Vert- / Anamorphic / Stretched / Whatever. It allows users to figure out which mode FOV has more than the other.
I can't make this any more clearer.
I'll try one last time to spell it out.
All arguments about how to do widescreen aside, (whether that's Vert- or Hor+ for example),
either Standard mode, or Widescreen mode, when selected for a game, will show you MORE viewable area than the other.
It could be that widescreen shows you more than Standard mode, cuz the game has a Hor+ implementation.
OR it could be that Standard mode shows you more than Widescreen mode, cuz the game has a Vert- implementation.
Do you see how one mode has more to see than the other?
SOME people will want to play on widescreen regardless of whether they are seeing more, less (or the same amount) as widescreen.
SOME people will prefer to play on whatever mode allows them to see the most viewable area. IE, if God of War 2 is Vert- for widescreen, then screw that and I'll stick to playing the game on Standard, even on my widescreen set.
The list would simply state what kind of widescreen the game has. Hor+ / Vert- / Anamorphic / Stretched / Whatever. It allows users to figure out which mode FOV has more than the other.
I can't make this any more clearer.
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now i think you're just arguing semantics, and you really need to stop suggesting I don't know what I'm talking about and stick to you don't know what I'm talking about.
I'll try one last time to spell it out.
All arguments about how to do widescreen aside, (whether that's Vert- or Hor+ for example),
either Standard mode, or Widescreen mode, when selected for a game, will show you MORE viewable area than the other.
It could be that widescreen shows you more than Standard mode, cuz the game has a Hor+ implementation.
OR it could be that Standard mode shows you more than Widescreen mode, cuz the game has a Vert- implementation.
Do you see how one mode has more to see than the other?
SOME people will want to play on widescreen regardless of whether they are seeing more, less (or the same amount) as widescreen.
SOME people will prefer to play on whatever mode allows them to see the most viewable area. IE, if God of War 2 is Vert- for widescreen, then screw that and I'll stick to playing the game on Standard, even on my widescreen set.
The list would simply state what kind of widescreen the game has. Hor+ / Vert- / Anamorphic / Stretched / Whatever. It allows users to figure out which mode FOV has more than the other.
I can't make this any more clearer.
Whatever man. I just said your idea was wicked and you go all capslock on me? :hide
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ok well let's just nod and drink our coffee silently
edit: roomie is using tv, I want to go see what goldeneye/perfect dark does sooo bad
edit: roomie is using tv, I want to go see what goldeneye/perfect dark does sooo bad
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Re: proposed Console Games list....
I think there's one really big hurdle to this proposal - comparison screenshots are one of the cornerstones of the MGL - it's a major reason that it is so consistent and accurate. Most of us don't have any way to submit comparison screenshots for video games.
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hmmm. you would normally need to run it through a capture card, or something right?
what about photos? two shot from the same position showing the full area of the tv? how bout I'll try with a game and upload and we see where we go from there. I think if anyone could provide this info to the community, we could.
now 360 and PS3 are kinda their own little mountain - but I'd love to see something for the small number of previous gen games, or especially games that have been re-released / remade on the newer consoles in widescreen, like God of War Collection and Metroid Prime Trilogy.
what about photos? two shot from the same position showing the full area of the tv? how bout I'll try with a game and upload and we see where we go from there. I think if anyone could provide this info to the community, we could.
now 360 and PS3 are kinda their own little mountain - but I'd love to see something for the small number of previous gen games, or especially games that have been re-released / remade on the newer consoles in widescreen, like God of War Collection and Metroid Prime Trilogy.
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One thing I can tell you is that God of War Collection is not only vert -, but the 2D stuff stretches too. But at the same time, the vert - widescreen camera feels much better in terms of focus and framing - 4:3 mostly just adds extra sky and ground. I think it goes to show that the phrase "designed for 16:9" doesn't necessarily mean a whole lot.
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I think it goes to show that the phrase "designed for 16:9" doesn't necessarily mean a whole lot.
Design for everything. :rockout
Re: proposed Console Games list....
results so far (all I have access to):
Goldeneye 007
Perfect Dark
Halo 2
Ninja Gaiden Black
are all Hor+
pretty much all have stretched HUDs and menus too.
Grand Theft Auto III
Vice City
and San Andreas
are all Vert-, with a small degree of zoom as well.
I took photos, get em up soon.
Goldeneye 007
Perfect Dark
Halo 2
Ninja Gaiden Black
are all Hor+
pretty much all have stretched HUDs and menus too.
Grand Theft Auto III
Vice City
and San Andreas
are all Vert-, with a small degree of zoom as well.
I took photos, get em up soon.
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Goldeneye 007
4:3
16:9
Perfect Dark
4:3
16:9
Halo 2
4:3
16:9
Ninja Gaiden Black
4:3
16:9
Shame trilogy
III
4:3
16:9
Vice City
4:3
16:9
San Andreas
4:3
16:9
4:3
16:9
Perfect Dark
4:3
16:9
Halo 2
4:3
16:9
Ninja Gaiden Black
4:3
16:9
Shame trilogy
III
4:3
16:9
Vice City
4:3
16:9
San Andreas
4:3
16:9
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All the gta games look like they're stretching... (could just be me) but it looks like 16:9 -> 4:3 = stretch it wider so everyone looks fat and so fourth.
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definitely no stretching. the characters do appear a little closer / zoomed in because of the "less FOV on larger overall display area" effect
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Bully for PS2, is Vert-
No surprise there, as same engine as GTA games.
Banjo Tooie is Hor+
Jet Force Gemini is Hor+ BUT letterboxed. Non-anamorphic.
Eternal Darkness is Hor+
F-Zero GX is some Hor+, some Vert- (which almost entirely off the top)
Soul Calibur II is Hor+
Will have results for several PS2 games soon. Photos for all tested games to follow.
No surprise there, as same engine as GTA games.
Banjo Tooie is Hor+
Jet Force Gemini is Hor+ BUT letterboxed. Non-anamorphic.
Eternal Darkness is Hor+
F-Zero GX is some Hor+, some Vert- (which almost entirely off the top)
Soul Calibur II is Hor+
Will have results for several PS2 games soon. Photos for all tested games to follow.
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Dragon Quest VIII ............Hor+
Final Fantasy XI .............????
Final Fantasy XII ............ Hor+/Vert-
God of War ............ Vert-
God of War II ............ Hor+/Vert-
Guitar Hero 2 ............ Hor+
Guitar Hero 80s ............ Hor+
Mortal Kombat Armageddon ............WTF?!
Shadow of the Colossus ............ Hor+
Soul Calibur III ............ Hor+
Valkyrie Profile 2: Silmeria ............Hor+/Vert-
Anyone know what FFXI does? You have to have a current subscription to get that far into the game to see gameplay.
I don't know wtf MK:A is doing. The aspect doesn't change at all, still 4:3... just zoomed in.
Final Fantasy XI .............????
Final Fantasy XII ............ Hor+/Vert-
God of War ............ Vert-
God of War II ............ Hor+/Vert-
Guitar Hero 2 ............ Hor+
Guitar Hero 80s ............ Hor+
Mortal Kombat Armageddon ............WTF?!
Shadow of the Colossus ............ Hor+
Soul Calibur III ............ Hor+
Valkyrie Profile 2: Silmeria ............Hor+/Vert-
Anyone know what FFXI does? You have to have a current subscription to get that far into the game to see gameplay.
I don't know wtf MK:A is doing. The aspect doesn't change at all, still 4:3... just zoomed in.
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hope someone appreciates this, and also that it gets added to the site
Banjo Tooie............Hor+
4:3
16:9
Jet Force Gemini............Hor+ BUT letterboxed. Non-anamorphic.
4:3
4:3 with widescreen turned on
Eternal Darkness............Hor+
4:3
16:9
F-Zero GX............some Hor+, some Vert- (which almost entirely off the top)
4:3
16:9
Soul Calibur II............Hor+
4:3
16:9
Bully............Vert-
4:3
16:9
Dragon Quest VIII ............Hor+
4:3
16:9
Final Fantasy XII ............ Hor+/Vert-
4:3
16:9
God of War ............ Vert-
4:3
16:9
God of War II ............ Hor+/Vert-
4:3
16:9
Guitar Hero 2 ............ Hor+
4:3
16:9
Guitar Hero 80s ............ Hor+
4:3
16:9
Mortal Kombat Armageddon ............WTF?!
4:3
16:9
4:3
16:9
Shadow of the Colossus ............ Hor+
4:3
16:9
Soul Calibur III ............ Hor+
4:3
16:9
Valkyrie Profile 2: Silmeria ............Hor+/Vert-
4:3
16:9
Banjo Tooie............Hor+
4:3
16:9
Jet Force Gemini............Hor+ BUT letterboxed. Non-anamorphic.
4:3
4:3 with widescreen turned on
Eternal Darkness............Hor+
4:3
16:9
F-Zero GX............some Hor+, some Vert- (which almost entirely off the top)
4:3
16:9
Soul Calibur II............Hor+
4:3
16:9
Bully............Vert-
4:3
16:9
Dragon Quest VIII ............Hor+
4:3
16:9
Final Fantasy XII ............ Hor+/Vert-
4:3
16:9
God of War ............ Vert-
4:3
16:9
God of War II ............ Hor+/Vert-
4:3
16:9
Guitar Hero 2 ............ Hor+
4:3
16:9
Guitar Hero 80s ............ Hor+
4:3
16:9
Mortal Kombat Armageddon ............WTF?!
4:3
16:9
4:3
16:9
Shadow of the Colossus ............ Hor+
4:3
16:9
Soul Calibur III ............ Hor+
4:3
16:9
Valkyrie Profile 2: Silmeria ............Hor+/Vert-
4:3
16:9
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