Has anyone here tried the 3D thing?

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Has anyone here tried the 3D thing?

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There was a broken booth at my local Frys, but Ive never seen it in action. Anyone here have it or tried it? How are the glasses?
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tried it out in a local MediaMarkt. they had it set up for testing with a samsung screen and batman - arkham asylum. i personally was pretty impressed but i only played like 2 minutes or so. the glasses were good to wear for me although i already had some on my nose 8) you should give it a try @ a local store if you can, but i dont think its at a point to throw money out the window for. maybe in a few years. then again, ive read about people who arent able to see the 3d effect with this kind of technology :shock:
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I've only used the red-blue anaglyph version, not the shutter glasses. I picked up a quality set of red-blue glasses with sunglasses frames on ebay awhile back for around $7. It's the most cost effecitve way to go with this stuff until they make the shutter glasses and 120hz panels dirt cheap. Anaglyph works without the need of $200 shutter glasses and 120hz panels.
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I still have a set of the e-dimensional 3d shutter glasses from the days of win XP and worked connected by wire to a VGA dongle that would switch the glasses on each refresh, this is what i used to use on a number of CRT's and even a 42" plasma with 200hz refresh which works really well!!.

Driver wise and setup it was a real pain in the preverbial to get it right... but once you had it wokring, WOW!!
I recall loading up Dawn Of War not so long ago with it to show a friend the experience of 3D and it works!
As the Space Marine stands there and rotates while at the main menu you can see the gun appearing to come out of the screen, uber awesome when the red laser would whizz past your shoulders :D

In game the HUD appear to be floating way above the buildings etc, the buildings again would look rather awesome in 3D too.

The major downside to this was that with the shutter glasses you loose picture brightness and start to gain a headache after about 30mins of use due to your eyes having refocused on a highly flickering screen.
Hopefully the issue of driver setup will have improved with the new ket so that it is much less of a hassle.
I still expect to get headaches after 30mins or so.

So for the old system once it was setup it worked quite nicely for a small colleciton of games, however a large monitor is really recommened, the effect is just lost on anything less than 19-21".
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As above, still got my eDimensional shutter specs from my old Ti4600 and CRT days.

Worked quite well in flight simulator but, as said, you lost brightness and a little bit of clarity.
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I have a pair of wired eDimensional shutter glasses as well. They work just fine with my dlp projector and even this 60hz LCD.

At least as long as the program can force the video to go into pageblanking mode.

3D games/programs don't work, why? because NVIDIA won't allow 3D vision to be enabled without a monitor on their list. It forces red/blue mode instead.

Anyone know how to fake your monitor as something else? I even tried the reported 'remove pin15 from the vga cable to remove ddc info' thing with an old extension. Did remove the monitor info, didn't change anything in the options.

I need an external way to force the nvidia driver into pageflip mode. Anyone know of such a thing ?
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3D games/programs don't work, why? because NVIDIA won't allow 3D vision to be enabled without a monitor on their list. It forces red/blue mode instead.

Ew, that's nasty. Another case of nVidia breaking perfectly functional things via software...? :(
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[quote]3D games/programs don't work, why? because NVIDIA won't allow 3D vision to be enabled without a monitor on their list. It forces red/blue mode instead.

Ew, that's nasty. Another case of nVidia breaking perfectly functional things via software...? :(

In a way, yes, unfortunately the eDimensional glasses only have drivers for up to xp and for cards prior to the nvidia 8x00 series, it also requires the display to be run via VGA.
"it should also have Windows XP installed, and not Vista at this time as Vista is not yet supported."
Continued support for these has been distictively lacking by eDimensional.
There is a tool provided by them that will force the display into pageflipping mode called E-D Activator as mentioned by Mesh, however this is simply to test the glasses are wokring/connected ok, it does not work for games.

So even tho nvidia may have set the software to use only certified monitors, there is absolutlely no support from eDimensional either sadly :(.
I can confirm that these did work on a 1024x768@75hz LCD monitor I used to have, however the flickering was of cause fairly apprent to myself, for which you can guarantee that before long you would have a headache.
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As much as I hate it, bad support is almost a given for niche products. :(
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Yeah but nvidia is trying to take that 'niche product' and make it mainstream, about the worse way to ago about doing that is by making the already existing product unusable ...

I don't think it would hurt their sales either. I mean, if I could get these vga, wired glasses to work, I wouldn't be surprised if a couple weeks after I started using em regularly the wire would get on my nerves and the lack of precision from vga instead of dvi too and I'd go and fetch a wireless nvidia version ...

As it is however, I'm more likely to fetch a zalman monitor with passive polarized glasses for less than the nvidia glasses and compatible display.
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Yeah, Mesh, I agree with you.
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A friend of mine used the Zalman screen and glass's a year or so ago in our raciing league for rFactor, he reported that in an F1 car you felt that you could reach out and touch the front wheels and in an accident it felt like you were going to get hit in the face with car bits.... and was very happy with it, although he went down the soft TH route not long after and didnt get 2 more Zalmans so no 3D.

I am very interested in this release (when ever it comes), and learnt my lesson after purchasing 2 x o/c 280 GTX's 2 weeks before nVid released the 295's last year :doh when no one, (I knew in the industry) knew that they were coming, this being the primary reason why there is no 5970 in my gaming rig right now.....as I am waiting for the nVid response, and all of this site's fantastic feedback.

However, I am a little tentative on the 3D glass's. I have only just started wearing glass's for reading/computing etc (yep at that age and still a big kid) and the thought of wearing 2 sets of spec's isnt appealing from a comfort point of view. Let alone competing in enduro events where I have raced for 3 hours straight.... no time there to pit and ditch it for 2D....

Any one had experience with nVids 3D glass's ?

In any case the sock in the back of the draw is starting to fill up with cash already.... :wink: 3 screens 1-2 cards, and glasses, phew, lucky its a big sock.....
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I have used nvidia 3D vision almost a year now. Many games support it and i really like the feeling. The negative i can say about it is that there is no games that is made for it so it makes 3D from what it knows, and no game have graphics programmed to be infront of the screen. So u get depth but nothing that jumps out of the screen.

I have just bought my third samsung 2233rz so im waiting for the drivers to be released. Im didnt really buy the other screens to play all 3 in 3D. I think the feeling of playing 3 screen is good enought, then why not get 2 more 3D screens when im at it. i dont think i can play all games in max quality if im doing 5040 X 1050 in 3D(120hz) becouse i need to have 6X the graphic computing power for that. Right now im running 2X gtx275, will buy a third if i think i need it. I will see how far i get with that
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hmm. i wrote a message but it seems it didn post :/
i dont want to type it again :(

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I was playing eve online on my other screen so i didnt see the screen that said a moderator had to aprove it. :p
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hmm. i wrote a message but it seems it didn post :/
i dont want to type it again :(


Posts needs to be approved by a moderator or administrator in the beginning, so there might be a delay. Its for anti-spam purposes. :)
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I've got a 120hz projector arriving today and already received my 3D Vision kit, so I will play with it tonight and see how well the 3D Vision works with the projector.

I'm already doing 3x 24" monitors with my PC, but couldn't quite afford upgrading to 3 new 120hz ones. The projector is something I wanted for a couple other projects, so I figured I would get one that works with the 3D Vision glasses and see what they are like.

I'll try out some WoW, Borderlands and some Bad Company 2 and see how they do.
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i tried out nvidia's brand new 3d vision glasses at pax east yesterday. They had triple screen surround with 3d enabled lol. I played MW2 and was impressed but I wouldnt want to game for that long in 3d. Triple screens is good enough for me, I dont think you would want to play competatively in 3d either. But it was cool and the gtx 480 is a beast.. it aslo idles at ridiculously high tempertures. Over 90 celcius with 2 monitors hooked up?? Thats nutty.
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I'd say 90 is cool by previous card standards ...
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i tried out nvidia's brand new 3d vision glasses at pax east yesterday. They had triple screen surround with 3d enabled lol. I played MW2 and was impressed but I wouldnt want to game for that long in 3d. Triple screens is good enough for me, I dont think you would want to play competatively in 3d either. But it was cool and the gtx 480 is a beast.. it aslo idles at ridiculously high tempertures. Over 90 celcius with 2 monitors hooked up?? Thats nutty.


Was it fatiguing in a way, how was the immersion in comparison to a multiple monitor setup? I really do not care much for Imax3d and other past experiences I have had yet I hope that this would somehow be different when gaming.
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Im pretty sure these things cant give real 3d, only "simulated" 3d... since you actually would need 2 different viewports in a game (different angles from 2 eyes) for the mind to properly percieve real 3d vision.
Its probably cool tho, havent tried.
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