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Triple widescreens are a new option. Should one go for a triple wide or a triple standard setup?

That is, should one go for triple standard with aspect ratios/pixels like
* {[15:4] (3.75) - > 3840 X 1024 = 3 X (1280 x 1024) [5:4] (1.25) = 3,932,160 pixels}
* {[16:4] (4) -> 3072 x 768 = 3 X (1024 X 768) [4:3] (1.33...) = 2,359,296 pixels}

Or triple widescreen like:
* {[24:5] (4.8) -> 5,040 X 1050 = 3 x (1680 x 1050) [16:10] (1.6) = 5,292,000 pixels}

To settle this question one needs to know.
* Is the performance hit of triple wide too much?
* Does the video card and drivers you have support triple wide?
* Does the game you want to play support triple wide?

These issues are covered elsewhere.

The peformance aspect of triple wide is covered, for example, in Ibrin's Surround game benchmarking for the 9800GX2, Widescreen and Surround Benchmarking Suite. A further performance discussion is found in the forum topic DTH2Go, GTX260 and HD4870

What about, though, of the usability of triple wide? Are there times when you find that triple wide is too wide? For example, when using your rig for general office work?

Wumzi reported in DTH2Go, GTX260 and HD4870 ...

I never went to triple standard. I jumped from a single 22" widescreen on my old PC to triple widescreen on the new PC. If I'm not gaming on all 3 screens, then yes, at times it does feel too wide. I literally have to turn my head left and right to see things. For example if someone logs on Messenger, the pop up shows up all the way in the bottom right corner. I used to be able to just glance at that corner with one screen, now I have to turn and look at it. But it just takes some getting used to. I can have a movie playing on one screen, internet on one, and work stuff on the other, and that's worth it I think. Plus the immersion you get in games is amazing.


Do you guys with new triple wide setups have a similar experience? Do you sometimes feel like you'd prefer triple standard?

Is it, perhaps, less an issue of aspect ratios and more an issue of the width of the monitors? Eg Three 20" monitors don't require too much head turning, three 22" do?
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I find most games I want to play work in TH ... those that don't soon do after having a chat with Racer_S or dopefish ... :mrgreen: ... gotta love those guys !

Having triple wide enables you to play games in widescreen if they don't do TH ... for me this is the main reason for going triplewide.
There is no way I would want to play any game in single square screen.
After saying that ... since having triple wide I haven't played any games in single screen (widescreen).

At the moment Vista seems to be a big problem for games and triple 1680x1050 ... I use XP.

I thought that triple wide 24" screens would be too wide as you do have to look left and right a bit especially when using windows applications ...
In games this is not so big an issue unless the games HUD is way out there on the sides and you like to refer to the HUD frequently (I do not) ...
After 5 mins I am used to any looking left and right (approx 62 inches wide) and I wouldn't like to go back.

There is a performance hit ... there must be but I would imagine it is different on each system depending on hardware etc.
It is worth remembering also that whilst hardware improves to run better and better graphics with higher resolutions etc. ... newer games also generally get more demanding of the hardware and so top end resolutions such as 5040x1050 are always going to be a struggle for many systems.
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Thanking you kindly Paddy the wak.

Having triple wide enables you to play games in widescreen if they don't do TH ... for me this is the main reason for going triplewide.


This underscores that matrox would do well to allow different resolutions connected to the one Triple Head. If it where possible I might go for a centre widescreen 24" and 19" standard sides.

Good to know that game issues are not too big of a deal (with workarounds from friends).

I'm scared of Vista too, despite some positive experience from wumzi.

Three 24" monitors totaling 62" (154 cm) wide. F_ck me. That is wide.

This issue is probably going to rest, finally, on personal preferences. I'm a widescreen virgin. I'm not sure I'm ready for 3 X 24" :)
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Three 24" monitors totaling 62" (154 cm) wide. F_ck me. That is wide.

My 3x 22" are 60" measuring inside the "outside" bezels." Check out some video here - http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/videos
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What about, though, of the usability of triple wide? Are there times when you find that triple wide is too wide? For example, when using your rig for general office work?

Wumzi reported in DTH2Go, GTX260 and HD4870 ...

[quote]I never went to triple standard. I jumped from a single 22" widescreen on my old PC to triple widescreen on the new PC. If I'm not gaming on all 3 screens, then yes, at times it does feel too wide. I literally have to turn my head left and right to see things. For example if someone logs on Messenger, the pop up shows up all the way in the bottom right corner. I used to be able to just glance at that corner with one screen, now I have to turn and look at it. But it just takes some getting used to. I can have a movie playing on one screen, internet on one, and work stuff on the other, and that's worth it I think. Plus the immersion you get in games is amazing.


Do you guys with new triple wide setups have a similar experience? Do you sometimes feel like you'd prefer triple standard?I have three 21" CRTs that I run at 3072x768. This is a "triple standard" setup and I still have to turn my head dramatically to work on the left and right screens. With a second video card, dual-input monitors, and Ultramon, I have a productive 2D workspace, though, so it's not a big deal. I think if you have any three large monitors you are going to have to turn your head considerably, whether or not they are widescreen. I'm used to it and don't mind at all.
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I just switched from three 17" 1280x1024 monitors to three 22" 1680x1050 monitors. I definitely have to turn my head farther, but I'm changing things a little by moving the monitors farther back - that is, I'm sitting probably 6" farther away from the center monitor.

Also, the angle of your monitors is going to have an impact. I think (although not certain) that I have the widescreens angled farther in. After I got them where they are comfortable, I measured and they're almost exactly at 40 degrees.
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I used to have 3 19" LCD @ 3840X1024. And just recently switched the LCD's to 3 22". The only other hardware change was from analog TH2go to Digital Th2go. I have seen a performance hit in my games. BUt they are all still VERY playable. Some of them are newer games that require alot and I have had to turn down the eye candy a little bit. But it is still AWSOME!!! Oh wait that would be AWWWWWSSSSOME! :lol:

My wife is running two vid cards, Ultramon, and two 19" outside of a 22" LCD. Does she have monitor envy? Just a little bit.

The diffrences are mainly space, and of course application. She does not game and wouldnt mind the extra space of 3ea 22". BUt it would be at a sacrifice of her real estate in her office. Which there really isnt much of anymore... :shock:

Iam glad I went TriplewideWide and will never go back. I hope that funds will soon allow me to upgrade my puter to get back to highest settings newer games are offering. For now, Iam very pleased with results. Iam even now going back to search for fixes for older games and having a good time in these forums.

My wife and stepson give me a bad time about my arm getting tired with my mouse, (they both use track balls). I LOVE my setup ALOT!!!!

These forums are a must for someone like me. And I give thanks for the guys coming up with all the fixes and sharing of their knowledge.

If you can afford it and have the space, go for it! You wont be dissapointed.
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My wife and stepson give me a bad time about my arm getting tired with my mouse, (they both use track balls). I LOVE my setup ALOT!!!!


I have been trackball guy for a very long time. I have a Microsoft Optical Trackball (and a spare in the closet, since they're not made anymore, and getting harder to find, sigh.) My biggest complaint was that there aren't enough buttons on the trackball - there's room for a lot more than the 5 it has. I found the perfect solution tho...



This is an Ergodex DX1 - it's a keyboard that lets you place the keys anywhere you want. Essentially, my trackball now has as many buttons as I could want - it comes with 25 buttons and you can get 25 more.

Not a cheap solution, but then, I AM posting to the triple monitor crowd here... :)
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I love your Ergodex Dx-1!! That thing is pretty awsome.... :shock:
I used to have track ball, and liked it. But I do really like my G5 logitech mouse too.
Thanks for the pic, another idea for people to play with....lol :D
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Thanks to all for the responses so far.

@Ibrin. Thanks for the link to the videos. However, unless I'm missing something the videos don't give me much sense of the physical dimensions of the surround image. I do, however, get a little more from the photos of your 3 X 19" and 3X22". Sorry to read of your warranty saga.

@JKeefe.
With a second video card, dual-input monitors, and Ultramon, I have a productive 2D workspace


Do you use TH2Go at all? If so do you switch between using TH2Go and the above native setup?

@bsoder. Thanks for the tips on angling. Ergodex DX1 looks cool.

@garcol.

I used to have 3 19" LCD @ 3840X1024. And just recently switched the LCD's to 3 22" .... [I am] glad I went TriplewideWide and will never go back.


I note your wife's config and that she envious your setup a bit even though she uses her rig for non gaming purposes? Do you use your triplewide setup for general purposes too? If so, no regrets there?

@all.

At the moment I'm more convinced that if there is any usability issue it is down to the sheer size of the monitors rather than aspect ratio. Performance hits are a separate issue and thankfully not too much of a big deal with the right gear. I'm torn, mainly, between 20" and 22".

In terms of gaming I suspect, in part from your comments, triple wide is the easy choice. You get immersion from having as much of your peripheral vision covered. In general, you don't need to turn your head too much here.

I continue to pop my head into shops to look at various sized monitors. The issue is ultimately a matter personal preference which no amount of talking is going to definitively settle.

However, if there are others who have experience with triple standard and/or triple wide, especially in using non game apps for general use, then your further comments on usability would still be appreciated :)
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As you have said for gaming go triple wide if you can.

However I have had both 3x19" and 3x24" and for non gaming 3x24" is not ideal. You really have to move your head and shoulders around to use the side screens, it is just not as comfortable as 3x19. However having 3x1680x1050 makes it worthwhile for work space.

Obviously 2x22" it wouldn't be as bad cos the monitors aren't so physically wide as my 24". If you intend to do a lot of non gaming and DON'T have a curved edge table (if the table curves around you, like mine does a bit, it allows easier usage of the bigger screens. I use my centre and left monitor most 'cos my table only curves on my left side) maybe the 3x19" would be better. But I would not want to go back to 3x1280x1024 so I would go for 3x19"/20" that are 1680x1050 res. Other guys on the forum have AFAIK.

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@Mach1.9pants.

Thanks for the curved table tip. Luckily I have one.

for non gaming 3x24" is not ideal. You really have to move your head and shoulders around to use the side screens, it is just not as comfortable as 3x19. However having 3x1680x1050 makes it worthwhile for work space. ....

I would not want to go back to 3x1280x1024 so I would go for 3x19"/20" that are 1680x1050 res.


Wow. So, for non gaming uses, at a given monitor size (of 3x19"/20"), widescreen is clearly superior to standard (In your humble opinion). Why is that? Simply more room, something about the look?

The WSGF is certainly making it difficult for me to go with the standard aspect ratio :)
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Yeah the extra work space is great, depending on what you are working on. But now to me 1280x1024 seems cramped, I have 2 on my other PC.
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You asked me about non gaming use with my three wide screens. I have found myself doing research alot on different subjects, only half of which I retain, (its a personal issue there of course :oops: ). I suppose in this area the 3 screens are great but being widescreen is not essential.

One thing to consider though. Just recently we had one of the wifes 19" 1280x1024 monitors take a dump. It was under warranty, but could not be fixed. Our warranty also covered replacement with new. Being confined to what was in stock at the retailer, we had no choice of ANY 19" 1280x1024. We had to go with a 22" widescreen. Luckily the retailer was willing to let us go to 22" and her set-up can handle different resolutions and functions well.
1280x1024 resolutions seem to be giving way to widescreen resolutions and may present a problem for you in the future. Just a thought.

This warranty issue got to be a real pain in bu**. But our retailer helped to make things right. My wifes 19"x 22" x 22" is not ideal. But for now it will work and we hope soon to get her up 3 x 22".

Sorry for the short story, but I feel it is something to consider.
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That is a very good point. I am in the IT business and we can get hold of 1280x1024 screens but it is hard, requires searching and they cost more than a 22" wide. Hardly any one imports them to NZ any more
A bit of a problem if one of your screen dies
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@JKeefe.
[quote]With a second video card, dual-input monitors, and Ultramon, I have a productive 2D workspace


Do you use TH2Go at all? If so do you switch between using TH2Go and the above native setup?Oh, absolutely. I do all my gaming with the TripleHead2Go, and switch my side monitors to their second inputs when I return to the desktop.

@bsoder. Thanks for the tips on angling. Ergodex DX1 looks cool.
A more functional version of the Ergodex DX1 (more powerful programming capabilities as well as the ability to use more than 1 unit) is the CH Products MFP (Multi-Function Panel). Same hardware, different firmware, much better (but more complicated) programming software.
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[quote]@JKeefe.
[quote]With a second video card, dual-input monitors, and Ultramon, I have a productive 2D workspace

Do you use TH2Go at all? If so do you switch between using TH2Go and the above native setup?
Oh, absolutely. I do all my gaming with the TripleHead2Go, and switch my side monitors to their second inputs when I return to the desktop.

Wow. This information gives me pause on the advice I have been getting to simply go with a (powerful) single card. What does the native setup give you that you can't achieve with TH2Go? Could you use Ultramon with TH2Go?
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[quote][quote]@JKeefe.
[quote]With a second video card, dual-input monitors, and Ultramon, I have a productive 2D workspace

Do you use TH2Go at all? If so do you switch between using TH2Go and the above native setup?
Oh, absolutely. I do all my gaming with the TripleHead2Go, and switch my side monitors to their second inputs when I return to the desktop.

Wow. This information gives me pause on the advice I have been getting to simply go with a (powerful) single card. What does the native setup give you that you can't achieve with TH2Go? Could you use Ultramon with TH2Go?

I have a
3x 20" 4:3 setup(1600x1200) and just switch to a 3x24" widescreen. 1920x1200 this is my 3rd day with it.

here's my opinion:
- productitiy wise.. I think going to 24" wide is about the same or less productive. because I tend to turn/move my head more to see other screen.
at the current pixel count of 3x monitors 24" is not much more useful than 20"

- for games and multimedia/movies 24" widescreen is nicer though

- 2 or 3 monitor + extra video card + UltraMon software is MUCH better than Th2go for non game use. because it's cheaper. extra budget videocards can be had for $30. UltraMon have MUCH MUCH MUCH BETTER multimonitor managment and features than the th2g powerdesk. I have been using dual monitor for 3 years and I won't give up Ultramon for anything.

- I switch to single screen 4320x900 or 5040x1050 for gaming only. the rest of the time I switch to triple display mode 1920x1200 via dual videocard and use Ultra Mon to manage my multi monitor.

That being said while Th2go works as advetised, it's only a gaming device since there are cheaper and more productive alternatives.

But then again Th2G gaming is .... once u experienced it.. you will be spoiled for ever and never want to go back.

For work I would much perfer 3x 4:3 monitors. I wouldn't have got 24" if I wasn't a gamer looking for the next thrill. it is too bad that they do'nt really make 4:3 screen anymore.


Hope this helps someone in making their decision
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Hope this helps someone in making their decision


Your comprehensive post has certainly helped me. Thanks.

I switch to single screen 4320x900 or 5040x1050 for gaming only. the rest of the time I switch to triple display mode 1920x1200 via dual videocard and use Ultra Mon to manage my multi monitor.


I presume this "switching" is a simple affair. That is, via a hot key or something.

If so, I imagine your set up is as follows.
1. Primary Card Head 1 -> TripleHeadToGo -> 3 monitors
2. Primary Card Head 2 -> spare port on monitor 1
3. Secondary Card Head 1 -> spare port on monitor 2
4. Secondary Card Head 2 - > spare port on monitor 3.

Is that right? Do monitors generally come with the 2 inputs needed for this?

If so could we also throw crossfire or SLI into the mix. Eg Use the two cards in SLI when using Th2Go, switch, turning SLI off in the process, to use the two cards independently. Is that kind of solution possible, usual, or desirable?
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[quote]I switch to single screen 4320x900 or 5040x1050 for gaming only. the rest of the time I switch to triple display mode 1920x1200 via dual videocard and use Ultra Mon to manage my multi monitor.


I presume this "switching" is a simple affair. That is, via a hot key or something.

If so, I imagine your set up is as follows.
1. Primary Card Head 1 -> TripleHeadToGo -> 3 monitors
2. Primary Card Head 2 -> spare port on monitor 1
3. Secondary Card Head 1 -> spare port on monitor 2
4. Secondary Card Head 2 - > spare port on monitor 3.

Is that right? Do monitors generally come with the 2 inputs needed for this?John,

Pertaining to my setup discussed further up in the post, the is pretty much how I have things connected. The only change is line #2 (Primary Card Head 2 -> spare port on monitor 1); this is not necessary because you can have the TripleHead2Go disaply a single-screen resolution.

Monitors these days usually have at least two inputs, although to do this with the best quality for LCDs requires monitors with dual DVI inputs; these are rare. The input switch on my CRT monitors is a physical slider switch. On LCDs is it usually a momentary pushbutton.

Setting the desktop up like this offers the productivity of a true multi-monitor 2D workspace, with a fully functional Ultramon including the smart taskbar and independent wallpapers, and also allows the benefits the TripleHead2Go provides for gaming I already had dual-input monitors when I went this route, so my only cost was ~$40 for a cheap GPU.

If so could we also throw crossfire or SLI into the mix. Eg Use the two cards in SLI when using Th2Go, switch, turning SLI off in the process, to use the two cards independently. Is that kind of solution possible, usual, or desirable?
Someone who is more educated on SLI will have to answer, but I believe a reboot is still required to either turn SLI of or ON (I can't remember which).
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