NEC multisync 2690 EU version -> spectraview

Post by **Tamlin** » 09 Nov 2008, 14:53

Okey, thanks... When I will purchase the NEC I'll try to calibrate it in native mode to the sRGB gamma curve... since another poster of [H] claims he has achieved betters results than in the fixed sRGB mode... If I would have any problem/doubt, I will contact you again. I have a Monaco OPTIX Pro calibrator (nowadays superseded by i1 Display)... I hope this works.

Thanks again. Your help is very appreciated. Superb forum and superb support too! :D

You're welcome! :)

Neither ToastyX @ [H] nor I have found a way to hardware/LUT calibrate the screen to sRGB. Using sRGB curve as target won't change that. But, it doesn't matter as long as you don't need something to be as colorimetric as possible outside of programs which isn't coloraware. Having things colorimetrical accurate only matters in a workflow. Outside of a workflow its more important with the personal preferences of what's estetically pleasing. :)

The sRGB mode is more colorimetrical accurate, but even I prefer using wide gamut on most sRGB content.

Within color aware programs like Photoshop, you can select sRGB as workspace and use the 2690WUXi as it was a sRGB screen anyway (and have an option to view the wider aRGB upon selection within the program.) Since it operates with virtual colorspace, it won't represent much of a problem using the sRGB gamma curve for your work. :)

You can see what works best out for you and don't hesitate to ask if you have more questions. :)

Post by **Tamlin** » 09 Nov 2008, 14:57

Thanks Tamlin,

Hardware calibration works OK now with Spectravier Profeiler, and with Basiccolor (are the same soft).

I have a little question, I have two monitors, the main monitor, the best is the NEC 1990 SXi and a hold CRT monitor (Mitsubishi Diamond PLus 92). I profiled the two monitors and I don't know if Basiccolor or Spectravie Profiler LUT loader, load the two profiles to the two monitors. I turned off the LUT loader on the windows star and I use the color Control Panel Applet. With hardware calibration for 1990SXi this is correct?. LUT loader from Basiccolor 4.1.9 works OK with two monitors?. Whats the correct optino?.

Thanks a lot.

Jose

Your're welcome! Happy to see you managed to get it work.

Spectraview profiler have multiple monitor support, so you don't have to use the control panel applet. It sets the appropriate profile as default and you can use the control panel applet to see if did that. Within Spectraview profiler, you can select "file -> open" for a new profile to use and it will set it as default "on the fly". Open control panel applet and check if it changed there too if you are uncertain. If you use XP, you might need to update the color panel applet if you haven't done that already. The first one didn't support multiple monitors, but the update did. :)

josemabcn · Post by **josemabcn** » 11 Nov 2008, 00:06

Tamlin,

Te only way to load two profiles for each monitor (form me) is with ControlPanel Applet (last version). If I load the profile with File->open option form spectraview Profiler or Basiccolor, the profile is show in the two basiccolor or spactraview windows, and only a monitor profile is changed, the firts one, the second not visible changes are made. But with Control Panel Applet all is OK.

Then I put in the windos startup Wincolor.exe /L for load the defaults profiles in each monitor.

I don't understand why LUTLoader.exe can't load two profiles for each monitor. But Control Panel Applets woks ok for me....

Jose

[quote]Thanks Tamlin,

Hardware calibration works OK now with Spectravier Profeiler, and with Basiccolor (are the same soft).

I have a little question, I have two monitors, the main monitor, the best is the NEC 1990 SXi and a hold CRT monitor (Mitsubishi Diamond PLus 92). I profiled the two monitors and I don't know if Basiccolor or Spectravie Profiler LUT loader, load the two profiles to the two monitors. I turned off the LUT loader on the windows star and I use the color Control Panel Applet. With hardware calibration for 1990SXi this is correct?. LUT loader from Basiccolor 4.1.9 works OK with two monitors?. Whats the correct optino?.

Thanks a lot.

Jose

Your're welcome! Happy to see you managed to get it work.

Spectraview profiler have multiple monitor support, so you don't have to use the control panel applet. It sets the appropriate profile as default and you can use the control panel applet to see if did that. Within Spectraview profiler, you can select "file -> open" for a new profile to use and it will set it as default "on the fly". Open control panel applet and check if it changed there too if you are uncertain. If you use XP, you might need to update the color panel applet if you haven't done that already. The first one didn't support multiple monitors, but the update did. :)

HU · Post by HU » 18 Nov 2008, 15:32

Hi Tamlin.. This NEC shows text mode and the XP logo screen with 1920x1200px. No interpolation options are available with native resolution. I think the XP logo screen is 640x480px size... but what about text mode? My NEC 20WGX2 shows text mode as 720x400px and interpolation options are available.

The monitor is connected via a DVI-D cable to the graphics card.

Is this a issue?

Thanks

Post by **Tamlin** » 24 Nov 2008, 14:42

Sorry for late reply again.

osemabcn:
Spectraview profiler have dual montor support, but I only tested it with two 2690wuxi next to each other. It worked. :)

If it works for you with control panel applet, then everything is ok. With a hardware (LUT) calibrated screen, the adjustments are already made in the screen itself.

HU: I think its the GFX card. I can't remember having any problems scaling with the ATI 3870X2, but I have a Nvidia 7800GT card in now and have the same issue as you do. Both with the DVI-I and the DVI-D. Haven't tried with the VGA yet via the computer, but scaling works perfectly when I connected a DVD player I have though VGA.

HU · Post by HU » 25 Nov 2008, 01:40

Yes Tamlin, I'm discussing this issue at [H]:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1367785

Sorry if I cannot post threads from other forums, but I don't want to make spam in any way.

If you have any idea, please let me know...

Thanks a lot :roll:

Post by **Tamlin** » 25 Nov 2008, 07:19

I haven't tested it with a dongle yet (DVI-I to VGA), which will give me analog instead of digital. This might remedy the problem. The screen also came with a DVI-A cable which is analog.

Digital is best, so I wouldn't go that route unless you really need it.

There is one other remedy that might help. In the advanced menu, tag 9, there is an option for image rotation. This is used when you pivot the screen. Enable it and pivot the screen. You can then select aspect scaling and work with the text smaller. :)

HU · Post by HU » 27 Nov 2008, 15:22

Thanks for the tip, Tamlin... ;)

Post by **Tamlin** » 27 Nov 2008, 22:51

No problem. :)

I can check the Nvidia 7800GT with VGA via dongle this weekend if you haven't already and when my soon to be ATI 4870X2 arrives, I can retest it then with scaling.

HU · Post by HU » 27 Nov 2008, 23:52

Thanks again, I'm seriously thinking of buying an ATi card... Anyway my 6600GT is a bit old... I'm waiting for your results :)

HU · Post by HU » 18 Dec 2008, 02:40

I can check the Nvidia 7800GT with VGA via dongle this weekend if you haven't already and when my soon to be ATI 4870X2 arrives, I can retest it then with scaling

Hi Tamlin, any news?

Post by **Tamlin** » 20 Dec 2008, 22:47

Hi! Yes.

I've tested the screen via VGA on the new card and my laptop as well (intel). All of them gives 640x480 through VGA. The 4870X2 gives 1280x1024 through DVI with scaling options working, while the 7800GT scales to full screen regardless. Forgot to try VGA through dongle, but I think it would give 640x480 as intel GMA and ATI. :)

HU · Post by HU » 21 Dec 2008, 00:34

Therefore, if I buy an ATi card, do you think I could rescale text-mode resolutions without restrictions on both connections, DVI and VGA?

I'm not a hardcore gamer but I want a graphics card prepared for the future (Windows Vista & 7). May be a 4850 a good option?

Thanks again ;)

Post by **Tamlin** » 21 Dec 2008, 16:13

You'll get 1280x1024 as minimum through DVI scalable upwards only and 640x480 through vga scaling upwards. :)

4850 would be a good option, but buy the 1 gb variant for higher resolutions memory. You'll get DX10.1, which will be supported natively in the new windows 7 desktop manager and ATI stream have added support for Adobe CS4 and more through drivers, including Vista applications running DX (like the photo viewer in Vista) for GPGPU.

As for Linux, there will be more support as well. 2008 have been a good year for Linux support on ATI, a place where Nvidia traditionally have been better. The 9.1 beta drivers (RC2) is leaked already for linux and gives additionally features (its still beta and buggy, so wait for the release).

HU · Post by HU » 22 Dec 2008, 00:41

Hello!

I'm almost convinced that the purchase of an ATi card. Is the assembler important? Your graphics card is assembled by Gainward, isn't it?

What do you think about Sapphire and ASUS cards? Do you have any recommendation for me?

Thanks a lot!! :)

Post by **Tamlin** » 24 Dec 2008, 08:40

Hello!

I'm almost convinced that the purchase of an ATi card. Is the assembler important? Your graphics card is assembled by Gainward, isn't it?

What do you think about Sapphire and ASUS cards? Do you have any recommendation for me?

Thanks a lot!! :)

Personally, my preferences is based upon the hardware itself. I bought Gainward because I wanted a non-reference cooler on the card. With a non-reference cooler, I can lower the fan more in 2D and still have the temps ok in my cabinet (I like silent computing).

Often with assemblers, its basically the same card, so I would go after following:

Best return options (no matter how much you pay, there is no warranty for everything to work, so get good warranty in case it doesn't).

Non-reference cooler, since heat control and silence is important if you work with the computer much. Gives you more peace of mind and more stable computer.

If you are stuck between two after the above, go for the best bundle. :)

HU · Post by HU » 26 Dec 2008, 12:46

Thanks for your invaluable help.

In the other hand I've a strange issue with my current 6600GT and the 2690WUXi. If I set the ECO MODE option to ON, the next time I turn on the monitor it only achieves 1280x720 as maximum resolution. In order to get the native resolution, I have to recall the factory defaults.

I'm worried about this. I don't know if it's a fault of the graphics card or the monitor or both... Can you tell me something about this? Can you test this mode with your old 7800GT?

Thanks in advance :(

PS: Happy christmas :)

Post by **Tamlin** » 27 Dec 2008, 16:01

Putting in the 7800 card would be too much work and I'd rather avoid it if I can. It means I have to remove drivers for the 4870x2, install the new card, install drivers, test it, uninstall drivers, remove the card, install the 4870x2 and install drivers for it. :P All those restarts and unpluggings...

I tested ECO Mode on 1, 2 and custom and there were no issues.

That you are getting a 1280x720 resolution as maximum might be a result of driver settings. Eco mode shouldn't interfere with the EDID data though.

Nvidia cards have a dynamic edid detection and it might be confused thinking your screen is a HDtv or similar. There has been a lot of bugs with Nvidia and EDID detection. A possible solution would be to turn off edid, but that wouldn't be advisable when you are calibrating your screen with LUT calibration. Another option would be to turn off ddc/ci in the advanced menu, but again you won't be able to calibrate again by LUT.

It works at least with the 4870X2 and would probably work if you are getting the 4850. :)

Merry Christmas to you too! :D

josemabcn · Post by **josemabcn** » 12 Jan 2009, 23:25

For your information,

BasicColor 4.1.9 and Spectraview Profile 4.1.9 works OK with Windows 7 Beta 1 64 bits, hardware calibration included.

Jose

HU · Post by HU » 06 Apr 2009, 23:27

Hi Tamlin:

Sorry for asking help you again... but I have a problem with my 2690 (not related with resolutions this time).

My problem is I see (faint) horizontal waves running from bottom to top under certain conditions: mainly with grey and blue backgrounds and only in the left corner of the screen (in the right corner I've noticed nothing). Curiously, in the left corner is located the monitor power supply (the switch is located there).

Somebody told me the issue could be generated by the quality power. The quality power is good (as far I know). My monitor is using the shipped cables (power and data cables). I've tested the monitor with DVI-I, DVI-D and DSub connections (with shipped cables) and the result is the same, but with DSub connection perhaps these lines are less visible. This annoying effect is more noticeable when brightness is near to 0%.

I have to say too that the monitor was repaired at the Technical Service in France, therefore the unit should be OK and the problem could be my graphics card, my electrical installation or whatever, who knows. What do you think?

It seems the problem is intermittent. I have made some tests more at the morning and I cannot distinguish any waves at all under the gray background even in a dark room. Therefore, I have mailed again to the technical support and they told me is a "electric interference problem. Verify all machines plugged in your house and in your neighbours houses ".

I really think it's not a problem of the monitor itself, but any electrical appliance perhaps (?)

Thanks very much for your help.

PS: If you see suitable, put my post on a new thread since this problem has nothing to do with 2690's calibration.

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