10.4 drivers discussion - no 5x1 support :(

[doublejj0305]

Here is a link to my problem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubdS4-Mue2A

That sucks. I just tried to use profiles and it's completely screwed. They don't turn off like yours but the 3x1 is duplicate mode instead of eyefinity and when switching back to extended desktop (5x1) They are all in different order. i assume leave the screens in eyefinity 3x1 with two extended desktops till the problem is fixed. I feel your frustration, That's how my system acted with the 10.3b. Still don't understand how I'm good and now your not...

[bowenac]

[quote]Here is a link to my problem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubdS4-Mue2A

That sucks. I just tried to use profiles and it's completely screwed. They don't turn off like yours but the 3x1 is duplicate mode instead of eyefinity and when switching back to extended desktop (5x1) They are all in different order. i assume leave the screens in eyefinity 3x1 with two extended desktops till the problem is fixed. I feel your frustration, That's how my system acted with the 10.3b. Still don't understand how I'm good and now your not...

No I can't stand to run in Eyefinity the whole time. For some reason the drivers are not uninstalling all the way. I even used driver sweeper and installed back to 10.3 but the same thing is happening now. I am tired of this crap. I know what I am going to do.

[bowenac]

Below are the list of reasons why I beleive CCC drivers are not uninstalling correctly.

Screens go black and don't come back on during uninstall.
After reinstalling drivers CCC remembers my screen layout and configuration.
After reinstalling drivers setting up profiles auto fills the rest of the information after I fill out the profile name. Profile description auto fills, all CCC settings gets selected, and shortcut gets selected.
After reinstalling drivers overwriting settings does not actually work even though it asks to overwrite and I select yes. Once I use the new shortcut settings it reverts back to the broken layout.
After reinstalling drivers it would remember old profile hot keys that I had made for fan settings, I had deleted these but for some reason they were still working with the hot keys.


Reformatted and now everything is working correctly with 10.4

It is a shame what I have had to go through just to get things to work. It is obvious the drivers are not uninstalling correctly. Why do they not include everything to be uninstalled. Do we need to uninstall? What is the proper way from ATI to install new drivers. I hear a lot of mixed results and would like to hear from ATI on how they do this during testing. Possibly get the correct method of installing new drivers stickied.

Some people say they use driver sweeper, others say that is not needed with ATI drivers and they are designed to work that way. That does not make sense considering the amount of info driver sweeper finds. There is possibly more info that driver sweeper is not finding. Some people assume this is ok, but the way I see it this is a problem. I thought I read somewhere on this forum that ATI drivers are designed to be uninstalled with the driver file then just install new drivers. So even if ATI says that is how the drivers are designed to work I think it is a problem with the way windows is designed to work. If windows finds any bits of old drivers it will prolly cling to it. And I think this is causing a lot of issues.

It is a driver, it should just work, should just be able to uninstall then reinstall. And as you have been able to see from my video, and my video from 10.3 there seems to be some issues related to this. I have heard other people talking about the same problems now.

So what is the proper way to install new ATI drivers, because it seems like any method I use results in issues. I would really like to hear back from an ATI rep with an honest opinion and step by step instructions on how they deal with installing new drivers in the labs.

[doublejj0305]

Are your profiles working as well?

Below are the list of reasons why I beleive CCC drivers are not uninstalling correctly.

Screens go black and don't come back on during uninstall.
After reinstalling drivers CCC remembers my screen layout and configuration.
After reinstalling drivers setting up profiles auto fills the rest of the information after I fill out the profile name. Profile description auto fills, all CCC settings gets selected, and shortcut gets selected.
After reinstalling drivers overwriting settings does not actually work even though it asks to overwrite and I select yes. Once I use the new shortcut settings it reverts back to the broken layout.
After reinstalling drivers it would remember old profile hot keys that I had made for fan settings, I had deleted these but for some reason they were still working with the hot keys.


Reformatted and now everything is working correctly with 10.4

It is a shame what I have had to go through just to get things to work. It is obvious the drivers are not uninstalling correctly. Why do they not include everything to be uninstalled. Do we need to uninstall? What is the proper way from ATI to install new drivers. I hear a lot of mixed results and would like to hear from ATI on how they do this during testing. Possibly get the correct method of installing new drivers stickied.

Some people say they use driver sweeper, others say that is not needed with ATI drivers and they are designed to work that way. That does not make sense considering the amount of info driver sweeper finds. There is possibly more info that driver sweeper is not finding. Some people assume this is ok, but the way I see it this is a problem. I thought I read somewhere on this forum that ATI drivers are designed to be uninstalled with the driver file then just install new drivers. So even if ATI says that is how the drivers are designed to work I think it is a problem with the way windows is designed to work. If windows finds any bits of old drivers it will prolly cling to it. And I think this is causing a lot of issues.

It is a driver, it should just work, should just be able to uninstall then reinstall. And as you have been able to see from my video, and my video from 10.3 there seems to be some issues related to this. I have heard other people talking about the same problems now.

So what is the proper way to install new ATI drivers, because it seems like any method I use results in issues. I would really like to hear back from an ATI rep with an honest opinion and step by step instructions on how they deal with installing new drivers in the labs.

[bowenac]

Yea profiles are working now after reformatting. I have had one of my monitors shut off like 3 times today though. So no idea why that is happening.

[johnnyvd]

I am also having an issue after updating to the 10.4 drivers. My DisplayPort monitor just turns off after a while. I have to disconnect the video cable and plug it back in to get it to work. I am going to revert back to 10.3b.

Same (sort of) problem here. After correctly uninstalling 10.3b, running driver cleaner, and installing 10.4 i got blinking issues on my mini DP - DVI connected display.. never had them before with 10.1, 10.2, 10.3 and the forementioned 10.3b.

Did have them before with my Apple DP-DVI active adapter and DP-VGA passive, but bought the ACCEL mini-DP DVI active one, works like a charm..

Reverted back to 10.3b -> problems gone!

Shame, 10.4 had the 2D acceleration right, very noticable in DIRT 2 Intro.. Everything went very speedy. Back to choppy video's then..
Is this a specific driver problem?? Or should i flash the 5970 bios for more DP voltage?? (rather not)..

[bowenac]

[quote]I am also having an issue after updating to the 10.4 drivers. My DisplayPort monitor just turns off after a while. I have to disconnect the video cable and plug it back in to get it to work. I am going to revert back to 10.3b.

Same (sort of) problem here. After correctly uninstalling 10.3b, running driver cleaner, and installing 10.4 i got blinking issues on my mini DP - DVI connected display.. never had them before with 10.1, 10.2, 10.3 and the forementioned 10.3b.

Did have them before with my Apple DP-DVI active adapter and DP-VGA passive, but bought the ACCEL mini-DP DVI active one, works like a charm..

Reverted back to 10.3b -> problems gone!

Shame, 10.4 had the 2D acceleration right, very noticable in DIRT 2 Intro.. Everything went very speedy. Back to choppy video's then..
Is this a specific driver problem?? Or should i flash the 5970 bios for more DP voltage?? (rather not)..


From what I can see it is driver related. I did not have these problems with previous drivers. To bad we can't get word around here from Dave. Be nice to know if they are aware of the issue and or going to release a hotfix.

[johnnyvd]

Below are the list of reasons why I beleive CCC drivers are not uninstalling correctly.

Screens go black and don't come back on during uninstall.
After reinstalling drivers CCC remembers my screen layout and configuration.
After reinstalling drivers setting up profiles auto fills the rest of the information after I fill out the profile name. Profile description auto fills, all CCC settings gets selected, and shortcut gets selected.
After reinstalling drivers overwriting settings does not actually work even though it asks to overwrite and I select yes. Once I use the new shortcut settings it reverts back to the broken layout.
After reinstalling drivers it would remember old profile hot keys that I had made for fan settings, I had deleted these but for some reason they were still working with the hot keys.


Reformatted and now everything is working correctly with 10.4

It is a shame what I have had to go through just to get things to work. It is obvious the drivers are not uninstalling correctly. Why do they not include everything to be uninstalled. Do we need to uninstall? What is the proper way from ATI to install new drivers. I hear a lot of mixed results and would like to hear from ATI on how they do this during testing. Possibly get the correct method of installing new drivers stickied.

Some people say they use driver sweeper, others say that is not needed with ATI drivers and they are designed to work that way. That does not make sense considering the amount of info driver sweeper finds. There is possibly more info that driver sweeper is not finding. Some people assume this is ok, but the way I see it this is a problem. I thought I read somewhere on this forum that ATI drivers are designed to be uninstalled with the driver file then just install new drivers. So even if ATI says that is how the drivers are designed to work I think it is a problem with the way windows is designed to work. If windows finds any bits of old drivers it will prolly cling to it. And I think this is causing a lot of issues.

It is a driver, it should just work, should just be able to uninstall then reinstall. And as you have been able to see from my video, and my video from 10.3 there seems to be some issues related to this. I have heard other people talking about the same problems now.

So what is the proper way to install new ATI drivers, because it seems like any method I use results in issues. I would really like to hear back from an ATI rep with an honest opinion and step by step instructions on how they deal with installing new drivers in the labs.

I is indeed really scary to see that when i do a complete uninstall, including drivercleaner, CCC keeps remembering my last Eyefinity setup.
it is not appearing as a profile anymore, but it is the first screen setup i get..

I will try to recover a previous image of win 7 (which does not contain the ATI driver) and do a clean install of 10.4 WHQL see if the problem persists. Then at least i know if it is specific this driver or some artifacts from the old driver which are acting up..

And, please Dave, what is your vision about this??

[Tamlin]

@johnnyvd:

In your C:Usersyourusername there is a hidden folder called appdata. If you cannot see it, you can go into folder options and activate "show hidden files and folders". Within that folder, go to localatiace . This is where CCC stores the settings. Delete profiles.xml (or move it to another location) and open CCC. If you make any changes in CCC, a new profile will be created automatically. See if your Eyefinity settings are gone if you remove the profile.

[bowenac]

@johnnyvd:

In your C:Usersyourusername there is a hidden folder called appdata. If you cannot see it, you can go into folder options and activate "show hidden files and folders". Within that folder, go to localatiace . This is where CCC stores the settings. Delete profiles.xml (or move it to another location) and open CCC. If you make any changes in CCC, a new profile will be created automatically. See if your Eyefinity settings are gone if you remove the profile.

Or when you uninstall the driver it would be nice if the uninstall process got rid of that. It is obvious the uninstall process is bunk.

[Tamlin]

Or when you uninstall the driver it would be nice if the uninstall process got rid of that. It is obvious the uninstall process is bunk.

+1 on that. Or at least give the option to keep or delete previous settings.

I was more curious if this also had any effect on eyefinity profiles, since I don't have a setup to test it out myself. :)

[johnnyvd]

@johnnyvd:

In your C:Usersyourusername there is a hidden folder called appdata. If you cannot see it, you can go into folder options and activate "show hidden files and folders". Within that folder, go to localatiace . This is where CCC stores the settings. Delete profiles.xml (or move it to another location) and open CCC. If you make any changes in CCC, a new profile will be created automatically. See if your Eyefinity settings are gone if you remove the profile.

I'll check that, thanks.. Will let you all know what happens.

What worries me more is the fact of the blinking screen.

[Tamlin]

[quote]@johnnyvd:

In your C:Usersyourusername there is a hidden folder called appdata. If you cannot see it, you can go into folder options and activate "show hidden files and folders". Within that folder, go to localatiace . This is where CCC stores the settings. Delete profiles.xml (or move it to another location) and open CCC. If you make any changes in CCC, a new profile will be created automatically. See if your Eyefinity settings are gone if you remove the profile.

I'll check that, thanks.. Will let you all know what happens.

What worries me more is the fact of the blinking screen.

Thanks. :) It will be nice to know if this has impact on Eyefinity profiles as well.

As for the blinking, here's a "fix":
http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=19170

Not exactly a fix, since it breaks the ability to OC, but its a choice at least. :)

[bowenac]

[quote][quote]@johnnyvd:

In your C:Usersyourusername there is a hidden folder called appdata. If you cannot see it, you can go into folder options and activate "show hidden files and folders". Within that folder, go to localatiace . This is where CCC stores the settings. Delete profiles.xml (or move it to another location) and open CCC. If you make any changes in CCC, a new profile will be created automatically. See if your Eyefinity settings are gone if you remove the profile.

I'll check that, thanks.. Will let you all know what happens.

What worries me more is the fact of the blinking screen.

Thanks. :) It will be nice to know if this has impact on Eyefinity profiles as well.

As for the blinking, here's a "fix":
http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=19170

Not exactly a fix, since it breaks the ability to OC, but its a choice at least. :)

Just wanted to let you know that my exp with one of my monitors shutting off has only happened since this 10.4 driver. I even did the whole uninstall thing went back to 10.3 but then it was happening in 10.3 as well. Before installing 10.4 this never ever happened with 10.3. So it seemed to remember what ever was causing it with 10.4, and the same with the profile problem. I reformated and installed 10.4. Profiles work correctly but one of my monitors still shuts off every once in a while. I have to unplug it and plug it back in. So again obviously a problem with 10.4, and I have read similar problems with this driver on other forums.

[Elmakai]

I just reformatted my computer (it was running a bit sluggish) and tried to install the 10.4 drivers (I was running 10.3 before the format). Of course, I am having problem after problem trying to get it to work. And the best part is, it won't let me uninstall it! When I go to add/remove programs and attempt to remove it, all I get is the UAC and then nothing. This goes back to the earlier post about the uninstall being bunk. So I have to format my system again to install 10.3.

You know, for as many people like myself that have invested quite a bit of time and money into Eyefinity, it sure seems that the one common thing ATI has given back to us is headaches.

/rant

[johnnyvd]

Thanks. :) It will be nice to know if this has impact on Eyefinity profiles as well.

As for the blinking, here's a "fix":
http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=19170

Not exactly a fix, since it breaks the ability to OC, but its a choice at least. :)

Erm, sorry maybe blinking is not the right word. Blanking or flashing would be better.. DP monitor loses signal completely Just the same as with not having enough juice on the active-adapter's usb connector (mine has, is connected to a USB power adapter).

And sometimes it just distorts and THEN loses signal. Comes back most of the time (sometimes it didn't).

@bowenac: i used Driver Cleaner.net. it really works well erasing everything ATI (except xml profile :wink: )

@Elmakai: this does not really sound like a real ATI driver problem. Most of the time i managed to deinstall the drivers did you give ccleaner a try? (with its add/remove programs)

[spammeister]

I myself also suffer from the same effects. That "fix" from [H] looks like an unelegant and quite possibly innefective fix. I use the manual AMDGPUTOOL to force stock (or whatever) clocks, to no avail. Next time I install some new drivers I'm going to give that [H] fix a whirl, if I can wrap my noggin around it.

[Diverge]

It's pretty obvious ATI/AMD doesn't have any sort of evaluation process when releasing drivers.

It's not too hard to make a list of past issues, that were fixed at one point, and check them at new releases to make sure old problems haven't resurfaced. And its pretty standard for companies to test their products across a matrix of different manufacturers devices, like monitors... with every change to their drivers. Not just a one time test.

Monitor A:
Power on at system boot? y/n
Wake from power saving mode? y/n
wake from sleep? y/n
eyefinity? y/n
desktop video corruption/flicker/cross_monitor_ghosting in eyefinity after monitors return from standby? y/n
montitor profile switching work correctly? y/n
...

[Tamlin]

It's pretty obvious ATI/AMD doesn't have any sort of evaluation process when releasing drivers.

It's not too hard to make a list of past issues, that were fixed at one point, and check them at new releases to make sure old problems haven't resurfaced. And its pretty standard for companies to test their products across a matrix of different manufacturers devices, like monitors... with every change to their drivers. Not just a one time test.

Monitor A:
Power on at system boot? y/n
Wake from power saving mode? y/n
wake from sleep? y/n
eyefinity? y/n
desktop video corruption/flicker/cross_monitor_ghosting in eyefinity after monitors return from standby? y/n
montitor profile switching work correctly? y/n
...

Ati is not alone in things being broken from driver set to driver set. Recently, several driver sets from Nvidia broke fan control and were overriding thermal control frying the cards. This is nothing new.

Lets keep this thread on reporting problems and good things about the new 10.4 set.

A little note related to removed posts: Dave is product manager for ATI, not tech support though he sometimes pitch in to help. We are lucky to have him here, so treat him nicely.

[bowenac]

Is anyone getting horrible tessellation performance compared to fermi cards. I just don't understand it. My cards with 10.4 are performing no where near the results of fermi in benchmarks like Heaven 2.0

Just curious why my cards are performing weaker then fermi cards in tessellation? Will this improve over time or is it a driver bug? Anyone else notice this.