Dragon Age: Origins

[Gecko]

Ok, I'm at the end (final bit), not done yet so no spoilers please!

Just have to say this is GOTY for me hands-down.

[Anprionsa]

Ok, I'm at the end (final bit), not done yet so no spoilers please!

Just have to say this is GOTY for me hands-down.

I beat it last week and now am EVIL!

[Soduka]

Someday, someday they will make an RPG that will allow hardcore evil without forcing you to a good ending no matter what.


Please, anyone, call from the mounts if you have to: Where is my game where I can defeat the heroes of the story and go on an epic campaign to take over a land?

[The_cranky_hermit]

In Wizardry IV: The Return of Werdna, you play as the villain from the first game, and you spend most of the game fighting goody two-shoes heroes. And a lot of the heroes were played by players of the first game - players' games were saved on floppies, and sometimes the floppies got corrupted, so they sent their hero disks to the developers for recovery, and they saved copies of these heroes so they could be enemies in the fourth game. Also, the game features *three* evil endings. Also two good endings, one of which is considerably more difficult to achieve (and the game's already the hardest RPG ever created by an enormous margin).

[StingingVelvet]

You can kill everyone in Morrowind and rule the island if you want to.

I don't see the need for evil endings to these games, if you were really evil to that degree you would never start the quest to save the world in the first place. Like Fallout 3, it has a horrible evil ending but a real evil person would never have made it that far due to the good deeds you needed to do before that.

[whismerhill]

most evil persons aren't evil through and through though ...
so I think that may make sense but then I didn't play this game so I don't know how it's presented...

[StingingVelvet]

most evil persons aren't evil through and through though ...
so I think that may make sense but then I didn't play this game so I don't know how it's presented...

For example the Broken Steel expansion. The end gives you the choice of helping the Enclave and destroying the Brotherhood, but the only way to get to that choice is to help the Brotherhood utterly destroy the Enclave for 5 hours and 3 missions.

[Gecko]

Someday, someday they will make an RPG that will allow hardcore evil without forcing you to a good ending no matter what.


Please, anyone, call from the mounts if you have to: Where is my game where I can defeat the heroes of the story and go on an epic campaign to take over a land?

They need to allow you to start Dragon Age as the archdemon. You hatch from a little egg...grow up eating cows...and then boom...you get hell bent on making hurloks and going mental on everything. Could be a fun game actually... :twisted: :wink:

[yogibbear]

[quote]Someday, someday they will make an RPG that will allow hardcore evil without forcing you to a good ending no matter what.


Please, anyone, call from the mounts if you have to: Where is my game where I can defeat the heroes of the story and go on an epic campaign to take over a land?

They need to allow you to start Dragon Age as the archdemon. You hatch from a little egg...grow up eating cows...and then boom...you get hell bent on making hurloks and going mental on everything. Could be a fun game actually... :twisted: :wink:

Like prototype except more awesome and set in medieval fantasy

[whismerhill]

They need to allow you to start Dragon Age as the archdemon. You hatch from a little egg...grow up eating cows...and then boom...you get hell bent on making hurloks and going mental on everything. Could be a fun game actually... :twisted: :wink:

makes me think about the alien campain in AVP2 ;)

[erikjanneman]

So I recently started with this game. I've been playing quite alot already. I think i'm pretty far along in the story (i've got the support of all the army's, except the dwarves, im on my way there)

But i noticed something odd. My character is stuck in a weird stance all the time. When in neutral, he seems to be leaning left a bit, and he is looking up to the left. This is very pronounced and looks weird. It does however still switch to combat stance etc, and turn back. But in cutscenes/conversations the glitch is also there. This kind of kills the cinematic experience, when my character is looking up to the sky while in a conversation...

I've googled this problem and found some people who had similar stance glitches (though nothing exactly like this) but no one seems to have a solution (apart from reloading, which i tried and did not work).

Has anyone else had this problem, and more importantly: Know of a solution?

Regards,

Erik.

[Tanuki]

Spiritual successor my ass.

Don't get me wrong, the game is good. But compared to the hype and reviews, well, maybe we are getting more complacent about the quality of our games.

[StingingVelvet]

Spiritual successor my ass.

Don't get me wrong, the game is good. But compared to the hype and reviews, well, maybe we are getting more complacent about the quality of our games.

Or maybe nostalgia makes us remember old games better than they were.

[Tanuki]

Or maybe nostalgia makes us remember old games better than they were.

I don't think this applies here.

I got BG2 when it first came out and I loved it at that time. I didn't think that Betrayal at Krondor or Ultima VII were better than BG2 just that BG2 was great and I loved it.
But if you are going to sell your game using BG2's name then you should expect to be compared to it.

This scene still floats around in my mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=schKIswVdPc

It doesn't look great or have some blinding gore but it gets the job done and it is memorable. Whoever made it wanted to create an experience for the player and they succeeded. When I think of BG2 I think of beautiful environments with their own unique atmosphere, great dialog, epic battles, and characters I care about. This is what BG2 means to me. And compared to that I find DA lacking.

If I look at DA on its own merits it is good game. Some parts are really fun and others can be quite tedious. BG2 was the same way. But I feel BG2 is still head and shoulders above this. Spiritual successor tag or not.


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In regards to my original comment I will expound a little. I think today's games are so encompassing and require so much specialization and modularization that it is more difficult to get a singular vision for what the game should do for the player. And I think we have accepted this as a trade-off.

Forced multiplayer components, DLC friendly design, toolsets, sequels being created before their predecessors are completed, I almost feel that gaming is becoming more like the motion picture industry. Big names, big explosions, lots of gloss, and keep the content light and fluffy to attract the maximum amount of mainstream dollar.


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And why is it that it appears that every other female in all the new Bioware games are bisexual?

[Paradigm Shifter]

[quote]Spiritual successor my ass.

Don't get me wrong, the game is good. But compared to the hype and reviews, well, maybe we are getting more complacent about the quality of our games.

Or maybe nostalgia makes us remember old games better than they were.
Hm... I'm not sure. It's all too easy to shout "rose tinted spec syndrome"... for some games that is true. But for others...? Not a chance. I still play BG1/2, Planescape Torment, Final Fantasy II, IV, V, VI fairly often (might not complete them again, but just spend some time enjoying them once more) and they're no better or worse than they ever were. Although with the Gibberlings widescreen mod for BG2, that has a whole new lease of life. Now, if you were to ask me about Doom, Fade to Black etc... they're not as good as they were the first time around. ;)

[StingingVelvet]

I haven't played BG2 in forever, so I can't say for sure, I just know nostalgia makes everything old seem better than it is. Watching A-Team, Quantum Leap and Miami Vice now you can see they are terrible shows, but when I was younger man those were the best things ever.

I know the writing in Fallout versus Fallout 3 is a good example... everyone going on about how much better the story and writing were in the originals when Fallout 3 came out, then I go back and play them and you know what? Not really. Not really at all, about the same.

[Paradigm Shifter]

I find it difficult to compare some games. Dragon Age is a storyline unlike any other that Bioware has tried; it deserves props for that. KotOR was better (by far) than KotOR2, despite being a 'simpler' game (lightsaber fight mechanics, etc) it's all story that keeps an RPG fresh.

I keep finding new little things hidden in Deus Ex, while I'm fairly confident I've been over 99.9% of Deus Ex 2. I enjoy approaching BG2 from different angles (different characters) but I'm not sure I'd be able to do that more than a couple of times in Dragon Age before getting bored with it.

I never much cared for Fallout originally. It wasn't until Fallout 3 was released that I actually went back and played it properly, forcing myself to keep going. I'm glad I did, because I quite enjoyed it in the end. I wouldn't say it was "infinitely" better than 3, but I do think that it will continue to age a lot better than the third one.

I do get bored with games very easily, but I rarely manage to 'like' a game after an initial period of disliking it. RPGs and RTS/TBS games have the greatest chance of holding my attention; FPS have the least.

It's very hard to compare to TV shows, as I can't stand 99% of what is on the TV now anyway. Most of what I do enjoy watching I watch from DVDs. I watch Knight Rider and the A-Team occasionally, but as I've aged my tastes have changed. They're still amusing, but I find myself picking the plotholes apart. But then, I do that with films the first time I'm seeing them, too... games I don't, as I never know what is around the next corner - that said, if they warrant a second playthrough, I'll do it then. ;)

[Paradigm Shifter]

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,699070/Dragon_Age_Origins_103_-_New_patch_ready_for_download/

Patch 1.03 is out.

Any better in EyeFinity?

[StingingVelvet]

Hopefully that fixes the load times issue some people had so that I don't need to hear about it ever again.

[StingingVelvet]

Soooo... finally beat it. The "Conjurer" in the final dungeon was probably the hardest fight in the game, maybe second after the great dragon.

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Anyone else let Alistair die at the end? I was prepared to have my girl kill herself but then it kind of made sense for Alistair to do it... he loved my character, so he sacrificed himself for her knowing they could never be together anyway, as he was king, and then of course he never wanted to be a king. It made sense, I thought, but people seem to default to self sacrifice when playing a good person.