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285's release date is supposedly the 15th. From what I've read. Might end up being the usual internet rumourmill situation, though. ;)

Scan have upped the prices of the GTX295 to £460 across the board. Why publish at ~£425 then hike the prices? Why not just put them online at the high price and have done with it, guys? :(

I can just justify an i7 system given some of the protein simulation work I've done in the past. Actually, I'm just totting up whether or not to try it, given that I've found some cheap DDR3 RAM it's not lightning fast, but slackening the timings off I'm sure I could get it to 1333MHz. It's not like i7 is bandwidth starved anyway. ;)

I can just justify an i7 system given some of the protein simulation work I've done in the past. Actually, I'm just totting up whether or not to try it, given that I've found some cheap DDR3 RAM it's not lightning fast, but slackening the timings off I'm sure I could get it to 1333MHz. It's not like i7 is bandwidth starved anyway. ;)

I would hold off man, Who knows how this shit with the second socet for the mainstream will go down. I cannot see this ending well personally. The motherboards are still stupid expensive :/

I read it as fanboys in general, but as specified due to the nature of the discussion being idiots for being unable to justify their blind devotion beyond 'just because'.

No, it's hardly "just because", your not being aware of the examples I gave does not make them irrelevant or false, it just shows you're not very knowledgeable about ATI's driver history regarding mainstream FPS games. I may not have provided links, but being as this IS supposed to be a GAMING forum, I figured many if not most claiming to have knowledge in the world of PC gaming and ATI driver history would know that one of THE most popular WWII games of all time, the one that spawned CoD, simply stopped working when Cat 5.7 came out, including ALL it's expansions. That's part of what I meant by not needing to provide bogus links to prove it. Any FPS gamer worth his salt with a background of ATI driver use knows these things.

Funny how some here think they can act like all knowing gaming experts merely by providing a few links, when A) the one having so flippantly tossed out the "idiots" label has admitted he's only a casual gamer, and B), doesn't even know such well known and documented facts, which pretty much proves he only dabbles into it.

It's one thing to read tech chat on drivers, provide a few links, and act like that suddenly makes you an expert, quite another to have an actual history of widespread gaming experience to be objective about the subject of GPU drivers and how they work in gaming. Define idiot I say, someone that talks the talk, or walks the walk? Easy to fool a lot of people with BS.

As far as the"ATI crap comment" you're comparing my opinion of product and support I've had experience with vs someone's flamish labeling of Nvidia customers themselves, without even being honest and manly enough to aim it directly at the person it was intended to insult. This is how forum staff get away with flames. They hide behind innuendos. Quite common on gaming forums, but usually it comes from experienced gamers, not those whom dabble into it and act like experts on the subject.

I'm done tossing around this subject. If the main parties involved making the insults and claims were as into gaming as this forum tends to lead everyone to believe given it's name and intent, it would be different and I would feel the end result perhaps worth the effort, but there's obviously a bit of deception going on here.

To a large degree this forum is more about a few people showing off their expensive displays rather than serious and factual gaming chat. If it weren't for the master tables with FOV charts and other such info, it would almost be a complete farce. What I find odd is the staff here thinks nothing of insulting Nvidia and their customers as if morons, yet most of the gaming world uses their product.

That's yet another indication the staff here aren't really devoted to gaming or concerned about the opinions of most gamers very much. So why even call it a gaming forum? It should just be WideScreenDisplayForum the way the forums are being staffed. The only reason I can think of to use the name WSGF like I said is the work behind the scenes on the charts. To a large degree the chat from the staff doesn't reflect knowledgeable, unbiased, open and honest game chat at all.

Yawn.
They're not staff. This isn't a business. They don't work for Ibrin. They can have whatever opinion they want.
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I would hold off man, Who knows how this shit with the second socket for the mainstream will go down. I cannot see this ending well personally. The motherboards are still stupid expensive :/

Yeah, but Core i5 looks to be a strange one. And I really dislike the 'one socket for high end, one for low' that Intel is gonna try. AMD tried it with 754/939 and it wasn't too popular as it made upgrading more expensive than it had to be.

[quote]I would hold off man, Who knows how this shit with the second socket for the mainstream will go down. I cannot see this ending well personally. The motherboards are still stupid expensive :/

Yeah, but Core i5 looks to be a strange one. And I really dislike the 'one socket for high end, one for low' that Intel is gonna try. AMD tried it with 754/939 and it wasn't too popular as it made upgrading more expensive than it had to be.

Dont get me started on that #_#

Heres a fine quote from someone else though on the subject.

It seems to me that multiple socket types will drive up production costs as they can't produce all their processors on the same tools. They can't devote all of their consumer processor fab tools to one processor family. No they are going to have to divy it up. This means processor shortages and price increases. They are just trying to ensure that there will be a limited supply and thus higher prices for their chips all across the board. This sucks intel. Just quit it. You don't need a seperate socket. You have done it in the past. Look at the core 2 processor. The same socket for dual core as the quad core chips use and also some Xeons as well.

look at socket T 775 and all the processors that they make cheaply at will because they use the same tools to make all these different processors. They are doing this on purpose and it's to line their pockets and screw the little guys that wont be able to afford it. Computing is about to get alot more expensive.

I'm really interested in the next nvidia/ati offerings... but not the revisions or anything... GT200 + 4000 series both dissapointed me. I guess i'm just hard to impress :(

Still stuck with my boring 8800gt.

This is mainly due to being at 1680x1050, so nothing performs badly yet.

Maybe when i bother to purchase a 30" screen i'll look for an upgrade.

Hehe. Yeah. Pretty much anything fares badly driving 2560x1600 if you turn the details up far enough. ;) 1680x1050 is about the right place. :)

One thing that will never change is you can never have a fast enough cpu, gpu or big enough memory, display or hd. I don't think that'll ever change with the entheusiast segment. Sure I'm happy with my current hardware, but I'm definitely not content. :D

About the i5 and i7. I really dislike how Intel transitioned their new sockets. At least with the new Phenom II AM3 chips, you can use them in older AM2 mobos and upgrade to AM3 mobo and DDR3 later. Intel is forcing a whole hardware platform change on a builder at once, while AMD is being more considerate and allowing for piecing a system together with upgrades over time.

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One thing that will never change is you can never have a fast enough cpu, gpu or big enough memory, display or hd. I don't think that'll ever change with the entheusiast segment. Sure I'm happy with my current hardware, but I'm definitely not content. :D

About the i5 and i7. I really dislike how Intel transitioned their new sockets. At least with the new Phenom II AM3 chips, you can use them in older AM2 mobos and upgrade to AM3 mobo and DDR3 later. Intel is forcing a whole hardware platform change on a builder at once, while AMD is being more considerate and allowing for piecing a system together with upgrades over time.

To be fair to Intel, AMD have tried it earlier as well.

But Intel, seeing how enthusiasts responded to the 'two sockets' trick from AMD, really should have known better. ;)

AMD learned from the 754/939 fiasco. I think Intel might learn from i7/i5. ;)