Final Fantasy 13 on the 360 - Seriously

Ascii_Aficionado · Post by **Ascii_Aficionado** » 15 Jul 2008, 00:18

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/14/final-fantasy-xiii-coming-to-xbox-360/

I can't believe it,I never thought I would see the day, I'm jumping for joy.
Now there is no reason to own a PS3 ecxept for MGS4 as this leads us to believe FF games past 13 will also be available on the 360.

Post by **MobsterOO7** » 15 Jul 2008, 00:24

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DaFox · Post by **DaFox** » 15 Jul 2008, 03:05

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/14/final-fantasy-xiii-coming-to-xbox-360/

I can't believe it,I never thought I would see the day, I'm jumping for joy.
Now there is no reason to own a PS3 ecxept for MGS4 as this leads us to believe FF games past 13 will also be available on the 360.

Blu-ray is a bigger reason that MGS4 to own a ps3 IMO.

But yes, theres virtually no reason to own one now.

Ascii_Aficionado · Post by **Ascii_Aficionado** » 15 Jul 2008, 03:11

Blu-ray is a bigger reason that MGS4 to own a ps3 IMO.

It would be if I gave a shit about Blu-ray, or High Def dvd's in general.

Osuperman · Post by **Osuperman** » 15 Jul 2008, 06:12

Okay I have to get this off my chest...

The first time I played Final Fantasy was on the Playstation. It was number 7 I think. Anyway everyone was saying how amazing it was; how it was the best looking game ever made, how it had surpassed the great barrier of the Playstations' very graphical limits & power (ooh wonder and awe!) blah blah blah. So I played it... 20 minutes later I realised I hated it, the gameplay was non-existent the graphics were horrendous, (okay the cut scenes were nice but erm, so what?) and while I sat there during some sort of 'battle' mode (god knows why people accept this term) waiting to do something, I thought to myself "I don't get this," and I was pretty unhappy about it too, as I'd already been scooped up by all the hype and glee people were spurting, I was disappointed to say the least. So I gave up and went along my merry way.

A few years passed and the next Final Fantasy (this time for the PS2), was coming out. Again, everyone was raving about how the graphics were eye-wateringly amazing, how the story was beautiful and generally how incredible the game was going to be... so I thought, "Wow hey! You know, okay, that first one was rubbish but this looks really good, I mean it must be really good, everyone says it is!" So I pick it up and BAM! It was terrible, just as bad, if not slightly worse than the last. I learned a valuable lesson that day: I hate Final Fantasy. (This didn't stop me from watching that god awful movie, though. So I guess I didn't learn much after all.) Now is it me? Is it just me? But from my experience (okay, it is a very limited amount of experience) these games are just all style and no content. I guess I was looking for something more than a graphical extension of an RPG card game.

Oooh I also need to get this off my chest:

The same thing happened when I tried the demo of MGS2 & Halo, admittedly I lasted about 15 minutes on that one, but my god why can't I get these games? Whats wrong with me?! OR... what's wrong with everyone else?

I also don't like Anime (either as a result of my aforementioned experience or just by coincidence) and Transformers sucked.

This is not meant to offend anyone by the way, (thought I've probably posted in the wrong thread for that to ring true, but it IS!) I've just always been slightly confused as to the pull these games have over people, they are such massive franchises with huge followings. Why can't I get them?

Also, what was with that film anyway, does it have anything to do with the games at all? - By this point I really don't care about expressing my complete ignorance of these things.

PHew! I'm so glad I got that out there, ...now I can let go... and be free! *flies away into a cloud*

Ascii_Aficionado · Post by **Ascii_Aficionado** » 15 Jul 2008, 06:29

Everyone's different, people who put people down for the types of games they choose to play are plain ignorant. Games = entertainment, people play what they find entertaining.

I can say the same thing you said about sports games but I don't judge people based on what they choose to play. I simply don't like those types of games but I don't judge people or try to act "better" than them b/c I don't agree with what their playing. I just keep my mouth shut b/c rants like yours just show how ignorant someone is. Granted yours wasn't that harsh and didn't attack anyone, it only attacked the genre, which is fine, But most end with something like "f/uck you f/aggot I hate f/aggots that play games like that". So I applaud your rant as it didn't attack the people, it only attacked the genre.

I laugh at the morons in games who's communication skills = "go back to CS you halo-fag, and the halo-fag says go back to CS you CS-fag" *wash rinse repeat for all other games* And their probably the morons sitting there in 3 week old wifebeater shirts planning on how they're going to murder their wife irl

Profanity used for authenticity, not out of ignorance.

Also, what was with that film anyway, does it have anything to do with the games at all? - By this point I really don't care about expressing my complete ignorance of these things.

To make a loooooong story short FF7 was the first Square RPG and the first Final Fantasy to be on something more powerful than the SNES so it became one of the most successful games in history, fans have *more than I can explain* wanted a FF7 remake or even a port for the PS2/3 even though they know it won't happen. So since the first CG FF movie came out "Final Fantasy: The spirits within" *came out many many many years ago* didn't go that great in the US, Square-Enix started working on FF7:Advent children which plot wise takes place 500 years after the end of the FF7 game, aside from the movie being graphically amazing people craved more storyline for the series b/c no FF games have anything to do with eachother and FF7 was the most popular one, I think to this day it still holds the record for the most copies of a PSX game sold.

Post by **skipclarke** » 15 Jul 2008, 06:46

Yea, I tried FFVII and didn't like it either. I can from an "old school" pen & paper D&D RPG background, where you could go anywhere and do anything. I found FFVII to linear and limiting. While I tried to finish one quest, it would derail me into something else. I kept getting confused as to what I was supposed to be doing at the moment.

I did like the combat okay, but I hated the "random" encounters that happened all the time. Broke up the game too much for me. I do like the stories (when I can follow them), and the CG is great. I wish they would just put out all the CG plot cut-scenes and some cool battles into a movie. I'd rather watch that.

Ascii_Aficionado · Post by **Ascii_Aficionado** » 15 Jul 2008, 06:47

I did like the combat okay, but I hated the "random" encounters that happened all the time. Broke up the game too much for me. I do like the stories (when I can follow them), and the CG is great. I wish they would just put out all the CG plot cut-scenes and some cool battles into a movie. I'd rather watch that.

That's where Advent Children comes into play, it's what fans have always wanted movie wise, and even the lore whores wanted it b/c they craved more FF7 lore.

Osuperman · Post by **Osuperman** » 15 Jul 2008, 16:39

Hi Ascii, :D

Please do not take anything I say to heart, I don't mean to upset anyone. I would never judge anyone for the games they play. Not at all. I was just wondering why I can't get into the games so many millions of other people can, it is annoying! I wish i could join in!! *Sigh*, it's something that's vexed me for years and I have remained silent for too long, in the fear of upsetting someone... I guess years of keeping schtum had caught up with me.

Anyway thank you for listening :)

Mergatroid · Post by **Mergatroid** » 15 Jul 2008, 17:22

Also, what was with that film anyway, does it have anything to do with the games at all? - By this point I really don't care about expressing my complete ignorance of these things.

...b/c no FF games have anything to do with eachother...

All of the main-line FF RPG's (except the first) and the movie have Cid, and most of the games have a Chocobo in them somewhere and an airship. That's the only thing that correlates them other than the name.

Edit: Ignore what I said above. It's been a while since I've played an FF. Other commonalities include summons (Shiva, Ifrit, etc.), Moogles, basic monsters (tonberries, cactuars) and bosses, some of which double as summons (Bahamut, Leviatan (yes, that's how it's spelled), Tiamat, etc...).

Go hereto find out everything.

Post by **MobsterOO7** » 15 Jul 2008, 17:31

Also, all of them (since VII iirc) have two minor characters in the game called Biggs and Wedge. Yes, this is a Star Wars reference. Although I think in XII they were Wiggs and Bedge. But those two still count.

Ascii_Aficionado · Post by **Ascii_Aficionado** » 15 Jul 2008, 18:35

Despite certain things the games have nothing to do witheach other, Square does find a way to add certain things from older games in newer ones such as choboco's, characters named Biggs/Wedge but other than that the games are completely different.

I've played/completed every FF past 6 and I know all the commonalities there are, but no game has anything to do with eachother other than those few commonalities. *11 was an MMO and doesn't count*

Hi Ascii, Very Happy

Please do not take anything I say to heart, I don't mean to upset anyone. I would never judge anyone for the games they play. Not at all. I was just wondering why I can't get into the games so many millions of other people can, it is annoying! I wish i could join in!! *Sigh*, it's something that's vexed me for years and I have remained silent for too long, in the fear of upsetting someone... I guess years of keeping schtum had caught up with me.

Anyway thank you for listening

There is no problem, if you read you'd see that I think your rant wasn't bad. you attacked a game/genre but not the people, that's fine. Not everyone likes the same shit and you didn't attack the people.

infernus · Post by **infernus** » 15 Jul 2008, 19:06

Well Sony, at least Blu-ray won.

They better have something up their sleeves today or Microsoft just won ALL of the internets.

Post by **Paradigm Shifter** » 15 Jul 2008, 19:58

This might, perhaps, be a little disjointed...

Eh, I'm not too bothered either way, to be honest. MS just pulled off some awesome news - FFXIII 360, HDD game installs and 16:10 support, which are great, but aren't going to convince me to buy a 360 as a lot of the other stuff they're pushing (achievements, social networking, yadda yadda...) I'm just not interested in. So far the only game that really draws me toward the 360 is Mass Effect - and that, purely, because I don't want the PC DRM nonsense.

So far the series that were on the PS2 that I absolutely adored - DMC, FF... their next-gen versions I've utterly detested. I'll still probably buy FFXIII, but I'm not expecting greatness out of it. I've been spoilt by how incredibly good (and replayable) the earlier FF games are; it's also proof that good graphics do not make a good game.

I'm honestly surprised that Square-Enix haven't gone multiplatform in the past... and suspect that is due to agreements with Sony (much like their agreements with Nintendo years past), so I'm not unhappy to see that it's now multiplatform - so long as they don't let one platform suffer for the benefit of the other.

I've seen 360 fanboys on the net screaming about how "OMG PS3 iz teh failz!" for losing FFXIII as an exclusive, and PS3 fanboys moaning about Square selling them out. Hah. Yeah, right. DMC4 seemed to do fairly well multiplatform, playing to the strengths of each console, so I can only say that, right now, FFXIII going multiplatform means that more people can potentially play it. And this is a good thing.

I have to admit, I'm not sure which version will be 'better' if you want to look at it in those terms - Square are going to be well aware that Japan is their home territory and FFXIII is going to sell massively there - but I doubt that it'll sell 360s, given the relatively low penetration of the 360 as a device in Japan. It'll sell massively on the PS3 there, so Square aren't going to want to screw up the PS3 version. In the US and Europe, it will probably sell slightly better on the 360, just through sheer number of installed units.

I'm looking forward to FFXIII. I'll be buying it on the PS3. But honestly, I'm not holding my breath for it to be an awesome game, as FFXII was rather... underwhelming... for me. I had more fun going back and playing FFVI than I did playing FFXII.

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As for continuity in the FF games... there is little. Not none as Square seem to have decided to milk a cash-cow for all it's worth, rather than stick to their guns on the matter of sequels etc. Examples? Certainly:
FFX -> FFX-2
FFXII -> FFXII Revenant Wings
FFVII -> FFVII Advent Children -> FFVII: Dirge of Cerberus -> Crisis Core (CC is a prequel, but is the latest of the FFVII 'world')

I'd love a sequel or prequel or... well, anything really, to FFVIII and FF Tactics, but I know it's not going to happen. ;)

There are a few other elements that link the games together - Biggs and Wedge (Biggs was named Vicks in FF6), Chocobos, characters called Cid, spell names, items, summons/espers/GFs/whatever-you-want-to-call-thems, and in most of the games, the Active Time Battle system (yes, they got creative a few of the games, like FFX and FFXII, and moved away from that, and while the FFX battle system wasn't too bad (basically ATB tweaked) I really hated whatever the FFXII one was called... CTB was it?

In fact, recently, as Square have got more and more adventurous with the changes they make to each game... I've grown less and less keen on them.

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I can understand why some people don't like the FF games... in the most rigid sense they're quite limiting for a significant portion of the game over what you can do, but hey, I personally can't stand most MMOs or Counterstrike-esque games... so everyone has something they don't like. If everyone liked everything, it'd be a very boring world. :lol:

Ascii_Aficionado · Post by **Ascii_Aficionado** » 15 Jul 2008, 20:33

FFX -> FFX-2
FFXII -> FFXII Revenant Wings
FFVII -> FFVII Advent Children -> FFVII: Dirge of Cerberus -> Crisis Core

we're talking about mainstream games here, there are no sequels, FFX-2 itself proves it by it's name, it's just a Lesbian version of FF10 and it was just a side game and wasn't a "real" FF game, hence it's name.

I utterly hated FFX-2 and Tactics in every aspect.

I also HATED FF12 at first but then I realized that Since we're not playing on shitty consoles anymore Pre-Rendered backgrounds are a thing of the past and this is the future of RPG's, even Square-Enix RPG's. I've only played about 18 hours of the game though b/c I was borrowing a friends PS2 to play my copy of the game and that was almost a year ago then I moved and had to give the console back.

Although, Square had just made FF 11 then they made 12 which both games have MMO type gameplay involving aggro ect.. but 13 may be completely different and I get the feeling it is, I think they abandoned the MMO style already, which was probably a good idea.

Post by **Paradigm Shifter** » 15 Jul 2008, 20:49

What do you define as 'mainstream' then? What consoles do you define it by? Even Square said X-2 was the first direct sequel they'd done in the FF universe.

I define 'sequel' or 'prequel' to continue the same universe as set by another game, and expand it or look at it from another perspective. Therefore X-2 is a sequel to X, Revenant Wings is a sequel to XII, Crisis Core is a prequel to VII, FFVII:AC is a sequel to VII, Dirge of Cerberus is a sequel to FFVII:AC. ;)

I hated XII purely because the characters pissed me off, the storyline I found... uninspiring and frankly, I don't have time to play a game where every time a character so much as twitches I get annoyed. :lol: Oh, that and the music wasn't done by Uematsu. Sacrilege!

Tactics was great. I'd recommend Disgaea for another tactical RPG, but if you don't like that sort of thing then... ;)

What I find really hilarious, actually, is that when the FF games stick to a storyline, they get bashed for being 'too rigid' and 'not open enough'... and when they try to be open they get bashed for being 'unfocussed' and 'lacking in driving story'. :lol:

Ascii_Aficionado · Post by **Ascii_Aficionado** » 15 Jul 2008, 20:55

What do you define as 'mainstream' then? What consoles do you define it by? Even Square said X-2 was the first direct sequel they'd done in the FF universe.

FFX-2 seemed like a piece of crap game that a different team worked on to make all the 500lbs fat lesbian chicks happy.

that and the music wasn't done by Uematsu. Sacrilege!

That's b/c he and all of the music people left and created the Lost Odyssey Soundtrack, which is amazing btw.

Post by **Paradigm Shifter** » 15 Jul 2008, 21:02

Hm. I must not have been paying attention if that slipped past me. Lost Odyssey would be a big, big reason to buy a 360. :oops:

And I'll agree that X-2 was utter pants. It was at best a half-hearted effort to appease fans who were clamouring for some continuation of FFX's cliffhanger, and at worst a total waste of time that started to put some enthusiasts off the FF series.

I'll go with the latter, there.

P-Storm · Post by **P-Storm** » 15 Jul 2008, 21:02

Tactics was great. I'd recommend Disgaea for another tactical RPG, but if you don't like that sort of thing then... ;)

Disgaea, yeah good game is that. There is a port coming for the psp, if i remember it. It is final fantasy tactics, but then a bit different, and in a different world/realm/reality or how do you wanna call it.

Post by **Paradigm Shifter** » 15 Jul 2008, 21:22

Disgaea: Afternoon of Darkness. :) Port to PSP was released in the UK last year, just before Christmas. It was so popular (no idea how - Disgaea was rather a 'cult' hit here; it was fairly hard to find brand new, and it's still quite a toughie to locate second hand sometimes... although not as hard as the Shin Megami Tensei games from Atlus in the US - the prices they command make me tempted to sell my copies of them...) that I couldn't get my hands on a copy until nearly February.

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