Bioshock: artistic vision - or not as the case may be

kilmar · Post by **kilmar** » 23 Aug 2007, 01:18

[quote]Uh guys, I check several locations and took some sample shots in DX9 and DX10 and I can't find a single difference.

Hi kilmar, I understand that it's not happening on every system, so you are lucky, trust me its like playing the game with everything set to LOW DETAIL...

I know of that bug and know I don't have the issue. What I really wanted to TRY to show was what DX10 does that DX9 doesn't. After taking shots in 6 different locations, I compared the screenshots and found no differences at all. Water, texture, etc... all looked the same. I did hear the the water beads on the screen reflect light in DX10, which in DX9 it does not, so I am going to start the game again and save right after you swim to the lighthouse and see if I can find SOMETHING different.

1hrsleep, if you know what the differences are, please post them and I will try to find a sample location to take the screenshot comparison. Thanks!

Bioshocker, I think it's on a per game basis. If you look at video comparison of Crysis on DX9 and DX10, it's like night and day. The dev at Irrational probably didn't spend much time to utilize DX10 fully.

nitro · Post by **nitro** » 23 Aug 2007, 01:27

Your wish is my command. I'll put a comparison shot if once I find a place where DX9 and DX10 shows the biggest difference.

thanks a lot !

BTW, i just played again to the demo with the FOV hack, in 1920x1200 this game is really amazing !

kilmar · Post by **kilmar** » 23 Aug 2007, 01:30

[quote]
Your wish is my command. I'll put a comparison shot if once I find a place where DX9 and DX10 shows the biggest difference.

thanks a lot !

BTW, i just played again to the demo with the FOV hack, in 1920x1200 this game is really amazing !

Don't thank me yet. I have yet to take a screenshot that shows ANY difference. Even with the water on the lens effect.

Here's a video I just googled that shows DX9 and DX10 in BioShock. You can see why I am having a hard time:

http://my.break.com/media/view.aspx?ContentID=354095

nitro · Post by **nitro** » 23 Aug 2007, 01:34

Don't thank me yet. I have yet to take a screenshot that shows ANY difference. Even with the water on the lens effect.

post here a 1920 screenshot of the game just after the crash with no move yet. i'll do the same and we'll compare it

bioshocker · Post by **bioshocker** » 23 Aug 2007, 01:35

I basically want to know is: Do the members of this forum feel that Widescreen HAS to have a wider FOV for games than 4:3 in every case? And if so, why?

First I'll answer the question with a question and answer it. Do you think a FOV of 75 degrees for a FPS is reasonable for a WS display? I do not think it is reasonable. In fact, if you were to look at the default FOV for many games, it won't be 75. It will probably be around 90.

Now, with that said, if people are used to a FOV of 90 not just because it "feels right" but because that's what they've experienced for other games.. what's going to happen when they're playing a game that has a FOV of 75 on a wide screen monitor?

There are people who didn't know what the FOV was, but they did report that it didn't feel quite right and control felt like you were walking with a sniper rifle slightly zoomed in. Some got sick. It wasn't until they went looking on the internet to find out what was going on that it all made sense.

Most games also let you change the FOV, because one FOV size fits all doesn't really work for all the display combinations out there.

Kunaak · Post by **Kunaak** » 23 Aug 2007, 01:38

thanks for the tool.
it works great.

kilmar · Post by **kilmar** » 23 Aug 2007, 01:49

[quote]

Don't thank me yet. I have yet to take a screenshot that shows ANY difference. Even with the water on the lens effect.

post here a 1920 screenshot of the game just after the crash with no move yet. i'll do the same and we'll compare it

http://home.nyc.rr.com/kilmar/pics/

DX10a - Pic of Rapture in DX10
DX10b - Pic of just after crash in DX10
DX10c - 2nd Pic of just after crash in DX10
DX9a - Pic of Rapture in DX9
DX9b - Pic of just after crash in DX9
DX9c - 2nd Pic of just after crash in DX9

None of the pics were resized. Just chose JPG mode in Fraps.

nitro · Post by **nitro** » 23 Aug 2007, 01:50

here is the DX9 (FOV hacked) 19200*1200 start : http://x505.free.fr/img/Bioshock.jpg

Osuperman · Post by **Osuperman** » 23 Aug 2007, 01:53

Looks identical to me... I'm in a huff now.

nitro · Post by **nitro** » 23 Aug 2007, 01:54

you where right, no differences.
so what ? is this another marketing bullsh*t to make vista users happy ? :P

aybdude42 · Post by **aybdude42** » 23 Aug 2007, 02:00

you where right, no differences.
so what ? is this another marketing bullsh*t to make vista users happy ? :P

imo it always has been

we will see when crisis arives

1hrsleep · Post by **1hrsleep** » 23 Aug 2007, 02:00

Did you guys watch that video? Fire looks better, there's a shadow for the door closing... XD (Slightly) better lighting...

Post by **Racer_S** » 23 Aug 2007, 02:05

I want to say thanks for the comments, but a dollar will do more justice.

if you got a moment check this out http://tocaedit.com/donate

I will fix the DX10 problem but its difficult without a DX10 card... not impossible.

kilmar · Post by **kilmar** » 23 Aug 2007, 02:11

Did you guys watch that video? Fire looks better, there's a shadow for the door closing... XD (Slightly) better lighting...

You have better eyes than me, my friend.

Osuperman · Post by **Osuperman** » 23 Aug 2007, 02:14

Racer_S

Gabbo · Post by **Gabbo** » 23 Aug 2007, 02:21

I want to say thanks for the comments, but a dollar will do more justice.

if you got a moment check this out http://tocaedit.com/donate

I will fix the DX10 problem but its difficult without a DX10 card... not impossible.

Come on people. Donate!

Let's get him a DX10 card PRONTO!

neveser · Post by **neveser** » 23 Aug 2007, 02:26

Thank you Racer_S, you are the man!

IceBrewedBeer · Post by **IceBrewedBeer** » 23 Aug 2007, 02:26

I just bought the game and was wondering what FOV should I be using @ 1680x1050, or rather what is everyone else running at that res. Thanks.

aybdude42 · Post by **aybdude42** » 23 Aug 2007, 02:27

[quote]I want to say thanks for the comments, but a dollar will do more justice.

if you got a moment check this out http://tocaedit.com/donate

I will fix the DX10 problem but its difficult without a DX10 card... not impossible.

Come on people. Donate!

Let's get him a DX10 card PRONTO!

Woo just donated to the god Racer_S.

Thanks Racer_S for allowing me to play Bioshock! :D

kilmar · Post by **kilmar** » 23 Aug 2007, 02:28

I take what I said back. I definitely do have the DX9 bug. I just incinerated a splicer and the body looks like a big chocolate bar with no textures. Sigh.

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