So will 5970 use both gpus in Eyefinity?

Robbaz · Post by **Robbaz** » 17 Nov 2009, 17:21

Or is it not supported just like crossfire? Since it's pretty much the same deal.

And will 3x1920x1080 "5760x1080" be a working res?

spammeister · Post by **spammeister** » 17 Nov 2009, 17:31

When we see one we will see the other.

Post by **Mach1.9pants** » 17 Nov 2009, 21:12

Nope the drivers still don't support crossfire, however I would really really hope that come release day it will be included.

I am just disappointed that it is:
a) Down-clocked by so much, I cannot use CF on my mobo
b) Not 2x2GB :(

So I guess I will wait for factory OC'd or decent after-market air coolers come out so I can OC it to at least the equiv of 2 5870 in CF.

spammeister · Post by **spammeister** » 17 Nov 2009, 23:51

That's what I meant: Once we see 5970's on store shelves we will see drivers that work with them (and crossfire getups) with eyefinity.

ATi is in absolutely no hurry to get it out the door, buggy or not.

Robbaz · Post by **Robbaz** » 18 Nov 2009, 01:02

I have to say, i had bought a 5870 anyday in the week if they weren't so bloody hard to get my hands on.

So i'm going with 5970 instead, but eyefinity can work with 3x1920x1080 right?

spammeister · Post by **spammeister** » 18 Nov 2009, 01:45

Yes. If you can find it, and then afford it, then do it!

Omarko · Post by **Omarko** » 18 Nov 2009, 06:04

Nope the drivers still don't support crossfire

have you tested them with CF and Eyefinity or is it just an assumption ?

Post by **Mach1.9pants** » 18 Nov 2009, 07:34

No this is not an assumption, no released drivers (until just NOW) have supported CF and EF together

However it has all changed, those that want CF 5870s and EF will be waiting til next year but the 5970 is now working.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/11/18/amd_ati_radeon_hd_5970_video_card_review/1

kiselk · Post by **kiselk** » 18 Nov 2009, 15:32

5970 == "5870X2"
5970 << CF 5870
No 4Gb?
"Overdrive up-to 1GHz" ad but crashing already at 800MHz?
O, RLY? WTF?
I was waiting not for this. Adding 10FPS@5760x1200 to my 4870x2 for $600? Who do they think they are?

Dave Baumann · Post by **Dave Baumann** » 18 Nov 2009, 18:26

OC results will obviously vary, but if you read the reports from the guys with higher capacity PSU's their results are generally better.

FYI - here is a round-up of a few of the reviews...

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon...0-review-test/
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=820
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews.php?reviewid=885
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...on-review.html
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=867
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/EAH5970/
http://hothardware.com/Articles/ATI-...PU-Powerhouse/
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/H...970_CrossFire/
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...5970,2474.html
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=21179
http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3679
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/...mance_preview/
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Ha...0launchreview/
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/...eo_card_review
http://www.techspot.com/review/221-ati-radeon-hd-5970/
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/301...ard/index.html
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,6...-card/Reviews/
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.ph...=403&Itemid=47
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/...eo_card_review
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2356032,00.asp
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1141/1/
http://www.rage3d.com/reviews/video/ati_hd5970/
http://www.pureoverclock.com/article855.html
http://www.techtree.com/India/Review...07555-537.html
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/777-...n-hd-5970.html[/

kiselk · Post by **kiselk** » 18 Nov 2009, 19:55

Dave, could you please answer some questions.

1. One of the links you posted (hexus.net) states that 5970 has 512bit ram bus. Others say its only 256. The truth is...?

2. Couldn't find any tests for resolutions larger than 2560. I do think Eyefinity should take a piece of "performance" and it's not correct to calculate FPS for 5760x1200 simply dividing FPS for 1920x1200 by 3. Or is it?

My current 4870x2 does WarFare2 with ~18FPS with max settings.
At Hexus.net its written that 5970 will chew WarFare2 as fast as 126FPS @1920x1200.
Will I win 126/3-18=24FPS more after I get 5970 or noone can tell me that until I try it?

3. How can you explain a sneaky move lowering down the frequencies except power supplies? Just can't understand why did you do such kind of thing. You promised to make a killer card, and now you care about watts?

You know, it cost me a buck to get a setup ready for Eyefinity, its working now with 4870x2, but I want more than 18FPS and was waiting for 5870x2. I really have 750W power supply, but I would buy a 1000W if you told me it was the only way to make 5970 work.

The limitations itself could have been made for people like me with 750W I appreciate you taking care of me and giving me a chance to play right after I get 5970 without switching to 1000W, but do you guarantee that if I get 1000W and OC 5970 to 850/4800 the plastic won't cover my floor and there will be no crashes?

4. I can see that PCB layout hasn't changed a lot and it has the same parts at the same places as 4870x2. Will my Accelero cooler designed for 4870x2 fit 5970 or not?

TIA

01Boxer · Post by **01Boxer** » 18 Nov 2009, 21:52

3. How can you explain a sneaky move lowering down the frequencies except power supplies? Just can't understand why did you do such kind of thing. You promised to make a killer card, and now you care about watts?

A graphic card drawing 400W wouldn't work on 95% of the computers. Then people would be bitching about being forced to buy a more powerful power supply.

1. One of the links you posted (hexus.net) states that 5970 has 512bit ram bus. Others say its only 256. The truth is...?

2x256

kiselk · Post by **kiselk** » 18 Nov 2009, 22:17

3. How can you explain a sneaky move lowering down the frequencies except power supplies? Just can't understand why did you do such kind of thing. You promised to make a killer card, and now you care about watts?

A graphic card drawing 400W wouldn't work on 95% of the computers. Then people would be bitching about being forced to buy a more powerful power supply.

95% of the computers do not need "enthusiast level card". I'd tell them "go get 5870 instead"

1. One of the links you posted (hexus.net) states that 5970 has 512bit ram bus. Others say its only 256. The truth is...?

2x256

So, really the same mem speed as 4870x2. thx.

01Boxer · Post by **01Boxer** » 18 Nov 2009, 22:31

[quote]
3. How can you explain a sneaky move lowering down the frequencies except power supplies? Just can't understand why did you do such kind of thing. You promised to make a killer card, and now you care about watts?

A graphic card drawing 400W wouldn't work on 95% of the computers. Then people would be bitching about being forced to buy a more powerful power supply.

95% of the computers do not need "enthusiast level card". I'd tell them "go get 5870 instead"

If you target a customer base that is too narrow, you end up with a niche product that is unprofitable.

kiselk · Post by **kiselk** » 18 Nov 2009, 22:40

[quote][quote]
3. How can you explain a sneaky move lowering down the frequencies except power supplies? Just can't understand why did you do such kind of thing. You promised to make a killer card, and now you care about watts?

A graphic card drawing 400W wouldn't work on 95% of the computers. Then people would be bitching about being forced to buy a more powerful power supply.

95% of the computers do not need "enthusiast level card". I'd tell them "go get 5870 instead"

If you target a customer base that is too narrow, you end up with a niche product that is unprofitable.

I understand that, but:
350W 4870x2
294W 5970

There are 50W more available to have at least the same market story as 4870x2. Was it a failure?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units

Dave Baumann · Post by **Dave Baumann** » 18 Nov 2009, 23:56

1. One of the links you posted (hexus.net) states that 5970 has 512bit ram bus. Others say its only 256. The truth is...?

That entirely depends on how you look at it. Its a board with 2 256-bit interface ASIC's, so combined bit-width is 512-bit and, the way it works, it providing bandwidth eqivelent of 512-bit.

2. Couldn't find any tests for resolutions larger than 2560. I do think Eyefinity should take a piece of "performance" and it's not correct to calculate FPS for 5760x1200 simply dividing FPS for 1920x1200 by 3. Or is it?

No, there's lots of things that affect perforance - more than just the number of pixels. For instance, a larger framebuffer (as a result of a larger "Eyefinity" resolution) may push data out of local RAM into system RAM affecting performance; also the FOV differnces may also mean that the amount of geometry processing going on is not 3x either, and with these being unified processors that also has effects on the amount of processing available for pixel shading.

Some have done some Eyefinity testing already, others looks to be following up later. Take a look here though:

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=820&type=expert&pid=4

3. How can you explain a sneaky move lowering down the frequencies except power supplies? Just can't understand why did you do such kind of thing. You promised to make a killer card, and now you care about watts?

You know, it cost me a buck to get a setup ready for Eyefinity, its working now with 4870x2, but I want more than 18FPS and was waiting for 5870x2. I really have 750W power supply, but I would buy a 1000W if you told me it was the only way to make 5970 work.

The limitations itself could have been made for people like me with 750W I appreciate you taking care of me and giving me a chance to play right after I get 5970 without switching to 1000W, but do you guarantee that if I get 1000W and OC 5970 to 850/4800 the plastic won't cover my floor and there will be no crashes?

The PCI Express specification calls for a maximum provision of 300W for graphics, both HD 4870 X2 and HD 5970 max this specification out. With the Cypress GPU, though, we knew it would be require more power than RV770 becuase it was designed as a bigger chip; when designing the HF 5970 we had two options - keep within the specification and the standard infrastructure that exists (and tune the voltages and speeds accordingly) or break the infrascturcture and go beyond the specification. In the end we chose a hybrid - the default speeds are designed to fit within the spec and the default infrastucture, but we designed the board to facilitate higher current draws and allow users with higher quality power supplies to tweak the performance more. Can we guarantee OC specs? No, we can't, but we can say that the GPU's on those boards are screened to be high speed capable.

4. I can see that PCB layout hasn't changed a lot and it has the same parts at the same places as 4870x2. Will my Accelero cooler designed for 4870x2 fit 5970 or not?

Sorry I wouldn't know that, but bear in mind that the GPU positioning is not in the same alignment on the HD 5970 as it is the HD 4870 X2 though.

Post by **thales100** » 19 Nov 2009, 00:24

Or is it not supported just like crossfire? Since it's pretty much the same deal.

According to guru3d, crossfire is supported with the new drivers :

Now when we wrote our initial Eyefinity we reported that Crossfire was not working in Eyefinity mode, meaning you could utilize only one GPU. This has been fixed with the new drivers we have at hand. Both GPUs on the Radeon HD 5970 will kick in if supported, offering a luxurious gaming experience at perfectly fine frame rates and image quality.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5970-review-test/8

kiselk · Post by **kiselk** » 19 Nov 2009, 13:30

Thanks for your answers, Dave.

Will there be a chance for me to speed-up a single 5970 with 4870x2 Crossfiring them while using Eyefinity or only 5xxx can be CF'ed?

Besides, I am definitely not keen on getting 200+FPS for 1024x768 with two 5970s, but would prefer a free of lag 5760x1200 setup. Will CF 5970 setup support Eyefinity? Asking just because could find only CF@2560 and Single@3x2560.

BTW, the Accelero won't fit, I've found some mismatches:

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