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I have been using my LCD TV as a monitor for too long now and wanted to get a real TFT monitor.

I have been looking through the regular shops around here and it seems there are some screens that are popular among the buyers.

And those are Benq G2411HD & G2412HD as well as the Asus VW264H.
The Asus being a little more expensive though :/

What I do not understand is the difference between 2411 and 2412? The 2412 is 23,6" instead of 24" but that is the only difference I can find. Then how come more people buy the 2412 which is smaller and about 20 USD (when converted from SEK) more expensive then the 2411 which is full 24"?

So what are your recommendations regarding these 3 screens?
Or do you think I should go in a totally opposite direction and buy another screen then those 3? Then please recommend such, but keep it in the same price class.

Thank you beforehand for the input.

I did not find any reviews for those monitors so can't really give any advice except for the general one which would be to look out for reviews as information given by the constructor is often completely off the reality

and since sometimes even screens with the same model number have different "panels" ( samsung 226BW anyone? ), I would advise against blind buying without relying on solid reviews to back it up.

I did not find any reviews for those monitors so can't really give any advice except for the general one which would be to look out for reviews as information given by the constructor is often completely off the reality

and since sometimes even screens with the same model number have different "panels" ( samsung 226BW anyone? ), I would advise against blind buying without relying on solid reviews to back it up.

The problem here being the lack of reviews. All I have to go on are peoples comments.

According to the manufacturer's spec pages for each, the BenQ G2411HD and G2412HD are only different in size. Other than size of course the pixel pitch is a bit tighter on the G2412HD because it's smaller.


BenQ G2411HD
http://benq.com/products/LCD/?product=1457&page=specifications

BenQ G2412HD
http://benq.com/products/LCD/?product=1489&page=specifications

What's odd is Prad lists one as having speakers and the other as having a headphone jack for some reason, even though BenQ lists both as having just headphone jacks.

http://www.prad.de/en/guide/ergebnis_vergleich.html?pradid=9d74269e9efa25b5ba1a192ee28a4709&7[]=0&8[]=0&10[]=0&12[]=0&13[]=0&14[]=0&15[]=0&16[]=0&17[]=0&18[]=0&19[]=0&20[]=0&21[]=0&22[]=0&23[]=0&24[]=0&24[]=5260&24[]=5315&24[]=5312&25[]=0&26[]=0&27[]=0&28[]=0&29[]=0&30[]=0&32[]=0&37[]=0&38[]=0&40[]=0&42[]=0&45[]=0&46[]=0&47[]=0&50[]=0&52[]=0&55[]=0&56[]=0&57[]=0&65[]=0&70[]=0&82[]=0&108[]=0&order_by=price&order_order=asc&Submit=compare

I wouldn't put too much stock in people buying the G2412HD over the G2411HD. Many are no doubt convinced they're getting a new improved model just because it followed the other one. Then again it wouldn't hurt to contact BenQ and ask if the G2412HD by some chance has better scaling features or something than the G24121HD.

[quote]I did not find any reviews for those monitors so can't really give any advice except for the general one which would be to look out for reviews as information given by the constructor is often completely off the reality

and since sometimes even screens with the same model number have different "panels" ( samsung 226BW anyone? ), I would advise against blind buying without relying on solid reviews to back it up.

The problem here being the lack of reviews. All I have to go on are peoples comments.
In this case I'll advise against those...
and rather choose one that's been reviewed and matches your needs
unless there's some rare feature that those got and none other ...

But then that's only my opinion. you might want to check out : http://www.digitalversus.com/article-357.html which is my reference website for screens. (they're not perfect but it helps choose a model & find more)
(and check out the "product face-offs" too)

In this case I'll advise against those...
and rather choose one that's been reviewed and matches your needs
unless there's some rare feature that those got and none other ...

But then that's only my opinion. you might want to check out : http://www.digitalversus.com/article-357.html which is my reference website for screens. (they're not perfect but it helps choose a model & find more)
(and check out the "product face-offs" too)

Thanks for the url. Too bad it had neither of the three screens I was thinking about.

I've been reading a little around on Swedish forums and they seem to recommend those 3 screens which is why I am choosing between them. But no one will answer me when I wrote the question about the difference.

And to frag maniac, yes I have seen those "specs" but that doesn't say anything rly, it can be two completely different experiences even though the specs are the same, or it can be identical, just sizes that differ, which is why I am hoping someone else knows about them a little more.

I would email BenQ on the details. Ask them if the panel size is the only difference or if maybe the new model has something the feature list/spec sheets do not show, like different scaling options or even firmware versions. Sometimes firmware updates alone can make a big difference in performance on things like input lag and such.

Or you could contact them direct since they have a Netherlands regional HQ near you.

BenQ Europe B.V.
Ekkersrijt 4130, 5692 DC Son
The Netherlands
Tel: +31-499-750-500
Fax : +31-499-750-599

Personally I'd avoid TN models though. In this day and age of e-IPS monitors coming out with way better image quality in the same price range, it wouldn't hurt to look at other options. Apple for instance will soon release a 23" 1920x1080 e-IPS made by LG, and word is many other manufacturers plan to use the same panel for their displays.

I would email BenQ on the details. Ask them if the panel size is the only difference or if maybe the new model has something the feature list/spec sheets do not show, like different scaling options or even firmware versions. Sometimes firmware updates alone can make a big difference in performance on things like input lag and such.

Or you could contact them direct since they have a Netherlands regional HQ near you.

BenQ Europe B.V.
Ekkersrijt 4130, 5692 DC Son
The Netherlands
Tel: +31-499-750-500
Fax : +31-499-750-599

Personally I'd avoid TN models though. In this day and age of e-IPS monitors coming out with way better image quality in the same price range, it wouldn't hurt to look at other options. Apple for instance will soon release a 23" 1920x1080 e-IPS made by LG, and word is many other manufacturers plan to use the same panel for their displays.

Thanks for your reply. The thing is G2412HD is not a new model. They both came out the same day.

I would love to buy an e-IPS monitor, but I don't have a lot of money to put into a screen. If the e-IPS screens cost as much as the Benq and was in Full HD I would be all over them :/

So if you know any, please do recommend.

the apple screen will cost 3 arms and 7 legs

I bought the G2412HD. Since they didn't have G2411HD in the store, had to order it in. But they had it on the wall as a demo ex, and they had G2410HD next to it which is also 23,56" instead of 24". And it was exactly as big as the 24" for some reason. So that made me ok with G2412HD being 23,56"

Haven't had a chance to try it yet. But the G2411HD has good picture on the shop.

I have the screen connected now through my dvi to hdmi cable that i used to connect it to the tv before. And I am not liking the results somehow. The yellows seems a little green tinted and there seems to be this grainy filter on when you look closely.

And my tv episodes and whatnot on the computer looks horrible. And on my lcd tv they look wonderfull. :(

Well higher model numbers generally indicate their production came AFTER the previous one, even if released at the same time. It could just be that they found out they could get a better supply of the 23.6" panels, so released them at the same time. Putting the same model number on the two would have been a mistake IMO. You don't want a customer complaining about getting a smaller size in the same model number.

The e-IPS models are slowly trickling onto the market, namely via Dell's 22" 2209WA so far, but it's 1680x1050. It's already being touted as the best 22" display made though, and sells at TN prices. I wasn't using Apple's 23" e-IPS so much as a suggestion but rather a heads up on the other size/res that's coming soon in that tech, and that many other manufacturers are interested in using the LG panel it has. That should mean good pricing when they become available.

I'll be building my new rig by spring of 2010 when the Nvidia DX11 GPUs are available. Hopefully by then there will be a lot more e-IPS displays to choose from, preferably in larger 16:9 sizes. In fact I'd love to see a 26" 2048x1152 e-IPS, but I'm not counting on it. As long as you don't go too expensive meantime and buy a reputable brand with good resale value though (which BenQ definitely is), you're OK.

Seems it was just me who wasn't used to how things look on screens, went to my friends place who has s-ips and he got the same problems if you can call them that. I am just used to my LCD tv I guess, my guess it has a lot of different filters you can't turn off (because I turned ll I can find off) that makes the picture look better when watching movies etc.

i would guess the tv is set maybe to warm settings (looks more red than it "should") and the screen is set maybe to cold settings (looks more blue than it "should") so with the 2 extremes you are getting the worst :P

also... try it with DVI- DVI instead of DVI- HDMI

Seems it was just me who wasn't used to how things look on screens, went to my friends place who has s-ips and he got the same problems if you can call them that. I am just used to my LCD tv I guess, my guess it has a lot of different filters you can't turn off (because I turned ll I can find off) that makes the picture look better when watching movies etc.

TVs and monitors are always best custom tuned, vs using presets. The extreme high contrast ratios and such the presets use are merely for much less than ideal lighting conditions. They're mainly marketing gimmicks though.

If you simply take a little time to setup your viewing room properly, they're not needed at all. All they do is extremely lower color quality in instances with good lighting.

I am kind of thinking of selling it and buying another screen. Anyone of you got a good recommendation on a 22" or 24"? (rather 24)

I am starting to hate the screen. Playing my ps3 through the hdmi, the games are all native 720p and when i run that the games get really blurry and jaggy, the scaling on the screen is terrible :(

And games like L4D with noise, you are supposed to be able to see the noise, but it shouldn't be like war of the ants when you haven't set up a tv channel. :/

i would guess the tv is set maybe to warm settings (looks more red than it "should") and the screen is set maybe to cold settings (looks more blue than it "should") so with the 2 extremes you are getting the worst :P

also... try it with DVI- DVI instead of DVI- HDMI

Tards at BenQ didn't put any DVI cable with the screen, just VGA. :/
And when I went to buy a DVI no place had shorter then 1.8meters. Which is why I am still on my DVI to HDMI cable (which is of very good quality).

I doubt DVI-DVI vs DVI-HDMI would make any difference. Both carry HD video signals. I use DVI-HDMI on my PC to connect to my Samsung 26" CRT HDTV and the picture is excellent.

On alternatives, in 22" the Dell 2209WA e-IPS is pretty much the best one now, but it's 1680x1050. It's priced in the TN range though. If you're playing primarily on PS3 though, I'm pretty sure you're limited to 1280x720 anyway and you didn't say you were watching movies on it.

i just wondered if using the DVI input would open up some more calibration settings over the HDMI input (like setting sRGB etc etc, K temp)

I doubt DVI-DVI vs DVI-HDMI would make any difference. Both carry HD video signals. I use DVI-HDMI on my PC to connect to my Samsung 26" CRT HDTV and the picture is excellent.

On alternatives, in 22" the Dell 2209WA e-IPS is pretty much the best one now, but it's 1680x1050. It's priced in the TN range though. If you're playing primarily on PS3 though, I'm pretty sure you're limited to 1280x720 anyway and you didn't say you were watching movies on it.

I am honestly considering that screen, but if I am to buy a screen in this day of age I feel like I want 1080p at least.

To Gilly, I bought a DVI to DVI cable, didn't help at all. But through both DVI to HDMI and straight DVD has this mode called sRPG that you can choose. (same menu that has the movie mode, photo mode etc) But everything seems washed out when I try sRPG.