High end PC users are PIRATES!

Post by **Mach1.9pants** » 30 Sep 2008, 19:33

Ahaaaargh me hearties!

Yes Gears of War 2 is not coming to the PC. Who's fault is it? YOU LOT..well most of you anyway.

Cliff Bleszinski talks toss

As many of us here are PC hardware as well as gaming aficionados, we know about torrenting and therefore pirate games. Personally I am not at all worried about the loss (I thought GoW was rubbish on the PC) but I am very insulted by his comments. Epic were a PC games company and made their name, and money, that way..but have obviously turned to the dark side!

Myself I am not going to buy another Epic game; if that is their attitude (and I have most of their back catalogue) so they've lost one customer here...not for GoW2 'cos I don't have a 360 ;) But their other games!

Anybody else going to join my little, pointless (well it'll make me feel better), boycott? Discuss

Post by **CrackerJackMack** » 30 Sep 2008, 19:52

First post!

Soduka · Post by **Soduka** » 30 Sep 2008, 20:00

That is one of the most asinine, self-stroking attitudes I've seen in a while. These guys need a club to talk about how evil PC gamers are.

Post by **Paradigm Shifter** » 30 Sep 2008, 20:03

I'd already decided that I was not going to support someone who spouts that sort of outright nonsense. I'd love a collection of high-end gamers to sue him for libel or something. That'd be classic.

Problem is, from his perspective, if they release a PC game and no one buys it because it's toss, or we've all boycotted Epic for their "Epic" FAIL... they'll just whine and cry and say it's all piracy.

Aside from that, 'CliffyB' seems to think he's some sort of rock superstar, when in fact he's nothing of the sort.

GoW was complete shite on the PC. It was buggy (from the word go - the install routines had heart failure on Vista) and it played and behaved like a shit console port. BIG surprise there, then. Not.

Frankly, I wonder WTF Epic are even doing in the "PC Gaming Alliance"... all they do is bitch and whine and kiss Microsoft's XBox. In fact, the PCGA seems populated with groups more interested in killing PC gaming than 'saving' or 're-energising' it.

Go back to making good PC games, Epic... not the dross that was UT3. Then we'll talk. Until then, STFU.

Post by **CrackerJackMack** » 30 Sep 2008, 20:04

That is one of the most asinine, self-stroking attitudes I've seen in a while. These guys need a club to talk about how evil PC gamers are.

They way the text was written it sounds as if it's emphatic instead of based on facts. Which I guess everyone is subject to

Post by **ctrlsteef** » 30 Sep 2008, 21:24

The way Cliff puts it is totally wrong but I do understand why game developers turn away from PC gaming as it's a fact piracy is WAY bigger on the PC then on the consoles. Saying that all high end PC users are pirates goes way to far though.

skeeder · Post by **skeeder** » 30 Sep 2008, 22:13

my favorite game group has failed. I loved GOW for pc. UT 2004 I played until no one was left in the servers UT3...well, lets just say it wasn't up to par with the "fun" level of 2004. man...this sucks...I can't afford an xbox, and my pc gets upgraded from RMA's! GRRR!

Epic fail.

Interplay doesn't exist anymore...Eido's still has some one-hit-wonders. But who will save us?

Tanuki · Post by **Tanuki** » 30 Sep 2008, 22:24

Interplay doesn't exist anymore

Interplay is making a Fallout MMO.

Post by **Mach1.9pants** » 30 Sep 2008, 22:31

Interplay doesn't exist anymore...Eido's still has some one-hit-wonders. But who will save us?

Valve! Well it is the last big 'we love PC' lot out there. And STEAM is great IMO...I have all my games on one disk and I can plug it into any PC I want and play.

EDIT: Skeeder, as a high end PC geek, it is obviously my personal fault you won't get much more love from Epic. So I hereby submit my humblest apologies. Now I am off to TORTUGA! :roll:

Post by **Paradigm Shifter** » 30 Sep 2008, 22:47

Valve aren't quite as awesome as some make out, but they're pretty decent overall.

One more thing I forgot:

Epic made it's name in PC games... so all they're doing is turning on the people who supported them and made them what they are today. Kinda sad, really.

Post by **Mach1.9pants** » 30 Sep 2008, 22:49

Oh yeah no one is perfect but valve seem to be supporting the community a lot better than other publishers IMO

Post by **Paradigm Shifter** » 30 Sep 2008, 22:52

They recently announced they're gonna start supporting mods through Steam. Might increase the number of mods I try out. :)

Post by **The_cranky_hermit** » 30 Sep 2008, 23:44

Either don't pirate or don't complain. I don't see that pirates have a right to criticize Epic or any other dev for this. If they think their game will get pirated on PC and not make money, why would they release it on PC?

Furthermore, to anyone who objects to his comments, I challenge you to prove his comments wrong by telling me that you know about gaming PC parts and yet do not know about torrenting.

DaFox · Post by **DaFox** » 30 Sep 2008, 23:55

Just for the record its my fault.

cheezgear · Post by **cheezgear** » 01 Oct 2008, 00:08

Of course anyone who has high end parts knows about torrenting, but knowing about it and doing it are two very different things. I still bought Gears of War on pc, it turned out to be a pretty bad port and I was saddened by the fact that it crashed after updating once, but still I decided to buy it. Also, almost everyone I know who does torrent things end up buying the game if they love it.(except for ea games after that spore drm stuff) Maybe if developers would take the time to actually release demos for us there would be slightly less pirating, who knows? I see a great trend of demos being released less and less, yet consoles get demos for what seems to be every game, just a thought.

DaFox · Post by **DaFox** » 01 Oct 2008, 00:12

Of course anyone who has high end parts knows about torrenting, but knowing about it and doing it are two very different things. I still bought Gears of War on pc, it turned out to be a pretty bad port and I was saddened by the fact that it crashed after updating once

On the flip side, pirating it, removing all the GFW Live bullshit it never crashed once for me and I found it to be pretty good.

cheezgear · Post by **cheezgear** » 01 Oct 2008, 00:22

On the flip side, pirating it, removing all the GFW Live bullshit it never crashed once for me and I found it to be pretty good.

Yeah, that's what I should have done, but I never did feel like messing with the GFW Live files, pirating it would have been a better idea too..

Mesh · Post by **Mesh** » 01 Oct 2008, 00:29

I'd say I'd boycott Epic except for one thing. I haven't bought any of their latest games, on the pc or otherwise. Not because I pirate, I know of it sure but it's been decades since last I even went close to it. It's just, Epic hasn't released anything worth buying, much less pirating, in a long time. Latest game of theirs I consider worth anything is: Jazz Jackrabbit. Not quite recent is it?

You know, a long time ago about the only game companies I even knew were ID and Epic. These days both are pirate targeting ego-inflated waste of space.

I say publications, online or offline, should refuse point-blank to publish anything from those 2 and any other with similar motives so they stop making or inflating excuses and get back to what we pay their games for, good, fun, games.

Post by **The_cranky_hermit** » 01 Oct 2008, 01:36

Of course anyone who has high end parts knows about torrenting,

Then you are completely in agreement with CliffyB's statement.

Maybe if developers would take the time to actually release demos for us there would be slightly less pirating, who knows?

Crysis had a demo, and it's the most pirated game of all time (so far - Spore still has a chance of surpassing it).

You know, a long time ago about the only game companies I even knew were ID and Epic. These days both are pirate targeting ego-inflated waste of space.

Pirate targeting? They're *avoiding* pirates. Targeting them would involve going after them. Not jumping ship to avoid having their games stolen by them.

I say publications, online or offline, should refuse point-blank to publish anything from those 2 and any other with similar motives so they stop making or inflating excuses and get back to what we pay their games for, good, fun, games.

Your proposal doesn't make a whole lot of sense. This isn't a one-or-the-other kind of thing. It's quite possible for a company to make good fun games *and* blame pirates if/when the games fail commercially. It's not as though these company's games would magically increase in quality if they stopped "making excuses" (though it's rather hard to call it that when the data on piracy is so easily accessible). Here's my proposal - consumers should buy the games that they perceive to be of quality, and not pirate anything on the market. That way companies won't be able to blame pirates for their failures, because if they make a good game it won't be a failure.

Post by **Mach1.9pants** » 01 Oct 2008, 01:56

Either don't pirate or don't complain. I don't see that pirates have a right to criticize Epic or any other dev for this. If they think their game will get pirated on PC and not make money, why would they release it on PC?

Furthermore, to anyone who objects to his comments, I challenge you to prove his comments wrong by telling me that you know about gaming PC parts and yet do not know about torrenting.

Of course I know about torrenting. But I also know about murder and I don't do that either!

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