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How To: Game With Black Bars (non-widescreen)?

Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 16:20
by skipclarke
If you have problems setting (or seeing the choice for) the proper ordesired resolution, try downloading from the net the free small utility called Reforce.

Might that help?

How To: Game With Black Bars (non-widescreen)?

Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 19:54
by Streeter
Would that option work with DVI?
What cards have the 1:1 option because I may be getting a new card soon.

Thanks

How To: Game With Black Bars (non-widescreen)?

Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 19:59
by Paradigm Shifter
nVidia cards have scaling control built in to their drivers (Aspect, Stretch, 1:1)... ATi might do on their newer cards, but I don't like the CCC, so it's out because of that. ;)

How To: Game With Black Bars (non-widescreen)?

Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 20:32
by skipclarke
Omega's?? Or they just drivers & no effect on CCC or ATI Control Panel??

How To: Game With Black Bars (non-widescreen)?

Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 20:43
by Paradigm Shifter
Omega's are an option, but I think that the newer Omega's have changed, too... (the Control Panel that the Omega drivers use is customised and actually allows a great deal more control on some of the 'details' than the ATi ones... :))

How To: Game With Black Bars (non-widescreen)?

Posted: 07 Jan 2006, 21:26
by Streeter
I'll test the Omega Drivers and see if they have the option, then I'll check back with you guys.

How To: Game With Black Bars (non-widescreen)?

Posted: 09 Jan 2006, 21:47
by Streeter
The Omega Drivers dont have any option like 1:1 either. Ill look for a registry hack.

How To: Game With Black Bars (non-widescreen)?

Posted: 12 Feb 2006, 03:51
by Streeter
Well, I finally got a new nvidia 6800. Its supports 1:1 stretch and native resolution. I can finally play warcraft III with out streching.

How To: Game With Black Bars (non-widescreen)?

Posted: 12 Feb 2006, 15:17
by Tamlin
Thank you for returning your experience on this! :D It has been in my thoughts when I have surfed around and not even the 6.2 driver sets could "fix" this for you. Also, I checked with ATI tray tools, NCQ drivers and Omega drivers to see if there were any chances there. Ati should really improve their drivers for widescreen options! Scale to aspect is something they should have implemented a long time ago IMO.

How To: Game With Black Bars (non-widescreen)?

Posted: 12 Feb 2006, 18:50
by tomservo6
Is the 1:1 mode on the Nvidia card settings dependant on the monitor at all? My Gateway 2185 only supports 1:1 through its OCD with video, not VGA or DVI. My ATI 6800 through the CCC doesn't have the setting unless someone writes a hack. Would a Nvidia card set to 1:1 work despite the monitor not being able to natively support it?

If so, I need a new motherboard with PCIxpress.

How To: Game With Black Bars (non-widescreen)?

Posted: 12 Feb 2006, 21:21
by Streeter
The 1:1 option with an nvidia card is not dependant on your monitor as far as I've seen. ATI CCC only supports video scaling on their high-end cards.

I had this exact problem. I too have a FPD2185; it supports all types of video scaling but I doubt your ATI card has the option. Nvidia cards offer fixed aspect ratio scaling and centered output; both being great for different games. And as a bonus they allow custom resolutions and timeings. My My brand-new Gforce 6600 supports it perfectly on the 2185.

So, in short; no, the 1:1 option does not depend on your monitor; the video adjust menu is only designed for non-computer inputs only; I, forthe life of me, could not find a hack for the 1:1 option; and 1:1 or centered output works great on the Gateway 2185.


--Streeter

How To: Game With Black Bars (non-widescreen)?

Posted: 12 Feb 2006, 22:29
by tomservo6
Crap.

So what's an Nvidia card that's equivilant to (or better than) the Radeon 9800 that comes in the normal PCI variety (not Express) and supports 1:1? I'm not ready to spring for a new motherboard quite yet.

How To: Game With Black Bars (non-widescreen)?

Posted: 12 Feb 2006, 22:51
by BongoTrumman
Crap.

So what's an Nvidia card that's equivilant to (or better than) the Radeon 9800 that comes in the normal PCI variety (not Express) and supports 1:1? I'm not ready to spring for a new motherboard quite yet.


I think you refering to the AGP bus. The regular PCI bus won´t give you any graphics performance.

Take a look at this thread. It will give you an overview.

Nvidia drivers can do aspect scaling but not ATI, so if your monitor doesn´t support it you should go with nvidia.

When it comes to graphics.
PCI < AGP < PCIe.

How To: Game With Black Bars (non-widescreen)?

Posted: 12 Feb 2006, 23:35
by Streeter
Yes, I agreee with BongoTrumman. Newer cards such as the 9800 are rarely made in the PCI catagory. AGP and PCI-E are far more common. If you really do have no PCI-E or AGP slots on your motherboard, you might have to seriously consider getting a new one.

But, If you do have an AGP or PCI-E slot the AIT 9800 equivilant is probably the GeForce 6600GT , but you might steping it up a little with the GeForce 6800GS. Both support 1:1.

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Posted: 13 Feb 2006, 00:27
by tomservo6
Yes, I meant AGP. I think I'll make the switch/upgrade. The best AGP I could find on Newegg is the 7800 for $299.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/CustratingReview.asp?item=N82E16814143046

I'm guessing that supports 1:1 as well, right?

What about games that force resolutions? Do you just have to set the resolution with 1:1 fixed aspect before you start the game?

How To: Game With Black Bars (non-widescreen)?

Posted: 13 Feb 2006, 00:39
by Streeter
Yes, the 7800 series is the best nvidia makes. And it supports 1:1.

Games that force resolutions, like Diablo II or Warcraft III, will strech to fill the screen but maintain their aspect ratio in the fixed aspect ratio scaling mode. If you want to maintain the true resolution their is the centered output option.

So, If the game runs at 800x600, in 1:1 mode it will strech to 1050x788 (im guessing your running 1680x1050); in centered output it will stay 800x600.

How To: Game With Black Bars (non-widescreen)?

Posted: 18 Feb 2006, 01:16
by cheshire
hello everyone :)

I have an HP Pavilion ZV6000 laptop with Radeon Xpress 200M. I like to play old adventure games like Gabriel Knight, the Monkey Island series or The Longest Journey for example. They naturally come in 4:3 aspect ratio so, after reading this thread, I know I'm not really able to play them fullscreen without being horizontaly streched. However I wouldn't mind playing them with small bars on bottom and top of the screen as long as the aspect ratio is maintained. The problem is that the original resolutions of most these games are really small, like 640x480. When I change the Full Panel Size option to Use Centered Timings in Catalyst Control Center the size of the game screen naturaly won't change at all and stay 640x480 despite my enabling the fullscreen option. What I would like to do is to scale the game screen to 1024x768 res which is supported by the videocard/screen, athough it leaves small bars on top and bottom, and naturaly maintain teh aspect ratio. Is there any software that will enable me to do it? :(

How To: Game With Black Bars (non-widescreen)?

Posted: 18 Feb 2006, 02:52
by BongoTrumman
cheshire, you can get black bars to the left and right on your monitor to give you a 4:3 format you can use in-game and have a real 800x600 without any strething using powerstrip. There are some people here who have done it and posted how they did it.

How To: Game With Black Bars (non-widescreen)?

Posted: 18 Feb 2006, 04:10
by Streeter
There should be an easier way.

Right click in you desktop>Properties>Settings>Advanced>Displays>Click on the Panel Display and make sure "Scale Images to Panel Size" is UNCHECKED. (I think I got the steps right)

If that doesnt work, Use Powerstrip.

How To: Game With Black Bars (non-widescreen)?

Posted: 18 Feb 2006, 12:01
by cheshire
neither is working