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I just fired it up, it looks so retro, lol. The colors were whacked at first and I thought 'great, too old for my vid card/drivers to recognize' but the colors were set to 16-bit... :oops:

Set to 32 the game looks decadetastic!

Just starting to play...will report back from UNATCO later...

I just fired it up, it looks so retro, lol. The colors were whacked at first and I thought 'great, too old for my vid card/drivers to recognize' but the colors were set to 16-bit... :oops:

Set to 32 the game looks decadetastic!

Just starting to play...will report back from UNATCO later...

Yeah, it might well be TOO old to play. I know I tried that game...can't think of the name...SYSTEM SHOCK (yay remembered) last years, and I Just couldn't get immersed into it as the graphics were too old.

I will feel sorry for you though if that gets in your road to immersion for DuesEx, as I have been trying to get that FPS/RPG game experience ever since. Nothing has compared I am afraid. Sadly.

Even the Multiplayer was fun, multiple combinations in that. Twas awsome. I reckon Crysis learned a thing or two from DuesEx.

The ENB Series mods have some tweaks for Deus Ex to make it graphically a bit more pretty if the graphics are an issue.

It's weird for me, sometimes - I can play sprite based games that are 15 years old without thinking, "OMG, these graphics are poor..." but then I play something like F22 Lightning 3 and have to stop because they look so bad.

I dunno why Deus Ex wasn't a great hit. A lot of people seemed to miss it completely. I was lucky, sorta: back in the day when demos came on cover CDs before the game was released, PC Gamer UK had it on their cover CD. It was the whole first level of the game. I played it. And I played it. And I loved it. It was released the next day (which, IIRC, was the Saturday between Good Friday and Easter day) and I went and bought it. Massive impulse buy, one of the best two impulse buys I've ever made.

Then again, I also loved Dark Reign, which was an RTS that competed with Total Annihilation and Age of Empires. Both of those were more popular, but I thought that Dark Reign was by far the most imaginative of the three.

Yeah, it might well be TOO old to play.

Barring multiplayer games whose community has moved on, and games that rely entirely on novelty appeal, there's no such thing as a game that's too old to play. The graphics of any given game are EXACTLY the same today as they were originally. Sometimes better. If gamers in the year 2000 could genuinely appreciate Deus Ex and System Shock 2 without needing Crysis-level graphics, there is absolutely no reason that should bar anyone from playing such a game today. This expectation is completely artificial conditioning.

And it's DEUS. Not Dues. It's Latin for deity.

I always think of it as "day-us"

Yeah, it might well be TOO old to play.

Barring multiplayer games whose community has moved on, and games that rely entirely on novelty appeal, there's no such thing as a game that's too old to play. The graphics of any given game are EXACTLY the same today as they were originally. Sometimes better. If gamers in the year 2000 could genuinely appreciate Deus Ex and System Shock 2 without needing Crysis-level graphics, there is absolutely no reason that should bar anyone from playing such a game today. This expectation is completely artificial conditioning.

And it's DEUS. Not Dues. It's Latin for deity.

I disagree on a certain level. Because someone (for instance me) is used to good graphics, or a graphics standard that has been improved alot since 2000 if you will. When i load up and old game like Deus Ex, and it has no nostalgia factor for me (never played the game before), the graphics are a turn down for me. While gameplay wise it might be a good game, i like a good looking game. It's just what im used too.

The argument that because people could enjoy it then, they should just as well be able to enjoy it now is a crappy argument imo. For some this might be valid, for others it is not. Standards change. So games become outdated to me.

As mentioned, nostalgia can be a factor here. Other old games i played when they got out, i still like to play. They seem far less anoying for me to play. Even though the graphics are crappy. I didn't like Deus Ex at all, but i ocasionally still enjoy a game of Splinter Cell 1 or the first prince of persia, or the old 2D GTA, the old jedi knight series and many more.

I always think of it as "day-us"

That would be correct, yes.

Because someone (for instance me) is used to good graphics, or a graphics standard that has been improved alot since 2000 if you will. When i load up and old game like Deus Ex, and it has no nostalgia factor for me (never played the game before), the graphics are a turn down for me.

What you are describing is completely artificial conditioning. If Deus Ex's merits rested solely on its technical merits, then you would be justified, but there is absolutely no reason to be turned off by perfectly functional graphics.

The argument that because people could enjoy it then, they should just as well be able to enjoy it now is a crappy argument imo. For some this might be valid, for others it is not. Standards change. So games become outdated to me.

A game's artistic merits and gameplay NEVER become outdated, and since those are what make a game good, a game never becomes outdated by extension. It's not outdated "to you" either - your expectations are simply arbitrary. And depressingly common.

As mentioned, nostalgia can be a factor here.

If nostalgia can get you to suppress your gag reflex on anything that doesn't use DX9 pixel shaders, then you can suppress the gag reflex. All you need is the willpower to get over it, to simply not mind that Deus Ex and other games don't use cutting-edge technology, and you'll be able to appreciate the gameplay, and no longer think of them as "outdated."

Well, on the graphics front there has indeed been some incredible work done by the community (thanks for the tip Paradigm).

In particular, the New Vision mod is incredible. It updates all (most anyway) of the textures and also Open GL. I've seen the screens and they're impressive. I'm downloading it now, will let you know how it goes. It brings the game to close to HL-2 level (prior to the Bloom/HDR elements).

You're welcome, Gecko.

I had some problems with the New Vision mod; in fact, many mods I tried just made the game crash. Not sure why. :(

You're welcome, Gecko.

I had some problems with the New Vision mod; in fact, many mods I tried just made the game crash. Not sure why. :(

I just patched the files over and fired it up. Looks much better! I played a bit and no problems thus far...we'll see how it goes. I made backups of all the default files anyway.

One nice thing about older games - so much easier to mod/tweak - the file system is so simple.

Depends on the game, really. All the Unreal Engine games are fairly easy to mod. Same with the Quake games, as long as you've got a ZIP program. ;) Some old games were really hard to mod. :(

Depends on the game, really. All the Unreal Engine games are fairly easy to mod. Same with the Quake games, as long as you've got a ZIP program. ;) Some old games were really hard to mod. :(

Ok, just met Anna and Gunther. I vant orange. :mrgreen:

EDIT: In the City now, feels a bit like Vampire: Masquerade Bloodlines.

I'm loving this game...reminds me what has been missing from so many new titles...

I'm loving this game...reminds me what has been missing from so many new titles...

Excellent! :D

[quote]I'm loving this game...reminds me what has been missing from so many new titles...

Excellent! :D

Just finished it, great game. Thanks again for the recommendation. Any more I maybe missed? :D

DaFox, Abram - It's worth playing, IMO. Get the New Vision mod and use it, updates the graphics. I just played the whole game through, zero technical glitches at any point for any reason...quite refreshing. :rockout

Regarding Deus Ex 3, FYI:

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/deus-ex-3-unofficial-title/1068333p1.html

The last bit of information we can share about Deus Ex: Human Revolution comes from the aforementioned Eidos forum: "At the time of writing, Windows is the only platform confirmed."

For me:

ME2 (got it)
Damn of war 2 Chaos rising
Command and Conquer 4
DAO Awakening
Starcraft 2

That's about it. Well, then I will have FF XIII and GT5 for PS3.

I used this list and the release list in the latest PC Gamer to start updating on the Lobbying Central wiki page.

http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/wiki/Lobbying_Central

After a large thread derailment, are there any 2010 or 2011 games I'm missing. Earlier we can hit up the devs in the development cycle, better chances we have.

It's weird for me, sometimes - I can play sprite based games that are 15 years old without thinking, "OMG, these graphics are poor..." but then I play something like F22 Lightning 3 and have to stop because they look so bad.

I had to say I feel the same way and I think it all goes down to what kind of sensations does the game give us
if there's enough beside sheer beauty, then the game may be enjoyed again (whether the sensations include nostalgia or not ... )
another parameter is : if a recent game give you the same sensations or better, then the older game might lose its appeal
ex: after several years of liking Diablo 2 & coming back to it once in a while for a couple hours, Titan Quest + Sacred 2 definitely drew me away from its old gfx...

however I still play once in a while games such as Master of Magic... even though Civ4 is superior in almost all domains, I liked the tactical combat & magic aspect & the sheer number of available strategies/options (notably in building your "avatar")


@no one in particular
all this talk about Deus Ex made me want to try it, honestly I didn't play it because the reviews didn't get me hooked up but rather wondering what the hell this game was...
Anyway, I feel like for such an old game 10$ is a bit overpriced (just got the orange box for about twice the price ...)
(yeah I now, I'm a cheap bastard but hey, my game budget is a bit short those days :( ...)


@Ibrin
hu ? *scratches his head* this thread is aimed at gathering a list for lobbying purpose ? I thought not since it's placed in general gaming discussion

Anyway, I feel like for such an old game 10$ is a bit overpriced (just got the orange box for about twice the price ...)
(yeah I now, I'm a cheap bastard but hey, my game budget is a bit short those days :( ...)

Being a cheap bastard is excusable.
Implying that a game's value declines with age, however, is just shallow. In terms of gameplay mechanics, implementation, plot, depth, and all that good stuff, Deus Ex is lightyears ahead of anything released recently. There is no good reason that Modern Warfare 2 should cost six times what Deus Ex does, except for that this is what gamers are willing to pay. And due to how demand and pricing works, this belief is a self-fulfilling prophecy. And these same gamers who wouldn't buy Deus Ex if it cost more than $10 are perfectly happy to pay that much for a few bonus multiplayer maps in whatever the latest shooter happens to be.
Also, they *did* make a demo for Deus Ex. It never cost a cent, and should adequately demonstrate what the game's about. It should still work too.