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kondor999- are you using MSI afterburner? The manual fan controls In catalyst control center for me are completely broke after the 9.12 hotfix. Should I just disable Manual fan control and ati overdrive. and use MSI afterburner for my cooling needs. It's not going to conflict with anything the ATI control center has going on is it?

Probably going to get feedback for my whining ,but for Pete's sake, why cant all this be sorted out before a card is released. Good grief!!! If it takes a few months longer to get the driver right. hold off on putting out the card. I've spent more time with getting stuff to work then I have had time to Play.

Yes, I do use Afterburner. And my fan controls are working - but only for the first card in my Crossfire setup. I'm assuming that's because, with Crossfire, the 1st fan control handles both cards. I'm not sure because I always just leave the fans on auto - they seem to do a great job at cooling without any noise (YMMV). I could confirm visually that the second card's fan is actually running faster when I change the fan speed on the 1st - but I'm too lazy to open up my case at the moment :) .

And Yes - you'll get people here trying to censor you for complaining (or even just sounding like you might be complaining). Don't worry about it. A lot of us out here are silently thinking to ourselves: "Doesn't he/she have the right to express their opinion about something not working?".

I am encouraged by ATI's fast response on things, though. I've never seen a factory rep like Dave Baumann hang out on these forums and respond so quickly to concerns. I happen to think they really care about their end users and will fix these things. As long as they're A) aware of the problem and B) working on it - I'm a pretty happy guy.

It's when neither of those apply, and we have to depend on workarounds long-term, that I get concerned. And that's when complaining is likely to ensue.

This is sort of related to topic. anyone know of a good reliable driver cleaner other than drive sweeper found on Guru?

I use Driver Cleaner.net (http://www.drivercleaner.net/) - it's not free, but it's the best. However, I've had good results updating drivers without the need for it. It's when you're downgrading that you get into trouble.

Hi all, I'm newly registered on this forum, but I've been lurking on here a while. I've found tons of great info here. I've decided to post now because I've experienced an issue that I believe is related to the new 9.12 drivers.

I have a 5970 with 3 24" monitors and an apple active DP converter. I've been lucky to not experience many of the issues that so many of you have written about with eyefinity thus far. Up until today my set up was running @ 5970 X 1200 with relatively few issues (a few that I was able to fix). However, after I installed the 9.12 drivers I had to arrange my monitors in CCC utilizing the blue screen selection process. Immediately following the procedure the monitor hooked up to the 2nd DVI port went black and white. So I went through a process of elimination to see what the problem is. Here is what I did to conclude that its a driver issue.

1. Well the most obvious indicator of this being a driver issue is that it occurred immediately following a driver update.

2. Swapped my DVI cable for an HDMI cable, - still black and white, no change.

3. Swapped monitors on that DVI port - which ever monitor hooked to that port displays black and white.

4. Upon reboots the motherboard bios flash screen and boots screens display full color when connected to that DVI port.

4. Uninstalled CCC and ran driver sweeper. Immediately following reboot, the monitor once again displayed color.

5. Tried a "fresh" install of the 9.12 hot fix drivers/CCC.. - monitor immediately reverted to black and white.

6. I'm yet to go back and install the 9.11 drivers, but my intuition tells me that the issue will resolve.

So, has anyone else experience this? I'm confident that I won't be the only one and hopefully ATI becomes aware of this problem ASAP.

Immediately following the procedure the monitor hooked up to the 2nd DVI port went black and white.

So, has anyone else experience this? I'm confident that I won't be the only one and hopefully ATI becomes aware of this problem ASAP.

I experienced this black and white Issue. Welcome to the Club.

What caused It for me was switching out of eyefinity. immediately the monitors will go into extended mode and that was when I noticed it. I even went as far as returning GPU's to the local store and getting them replaced. that's when I knew it was not hardware related.

although with Me It was with the 9.11 drivers

It seams like this happens when you change anything related to monitor position. It might be that I inadvertently moved a monitor position when switching out of eyefinity?

View thread here http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=17706

I think my main game Dirt 2 has issues. I think the frames went up on the in game fps counter but I feel the game is not running properly. I had corruption in graphics upon first boot but after a reboot thats gone.

Now though I get what seems like major slowdown at certain times, usually with water it goes into a la fear slow motion mode for a split second and I see the lag in the game menu now and then.

I think I may go back to 9.11 not sure yet.

Yes, I do use Afterburner. And my fan controls are working - but only for the first card in my Crossfire setup. I'm assuming that's because, with Crossfire, the 1st fan control handles both cards. I'm not sure because I always just leave the fans on auto - they seem to do a great job at cooling without any noise (YMMV). I could confirm visually that the second card's fan is actually running faster when I change the fan speed on the 1st - but I'm too lazy to open up my case at the moment :) .

I am encouraged by ATI's fast response on things, though. I've never seen a factory rep like Dave Baumann hang out on these forums and respond so quickly to concerns. I happen to think they really care about their end users and will fix these things. As long as they're A) aware of the problem and B) working on it - I'm a pretty happy guy.

I did look inside the case the other day and seen that when fan is manually adjusted on the first card. the other card just stays at at low RPM while the other increases while in crossfire eyefinity.
What bothered me the most was when I disabled crossfire. I then lost all control manual adjustment of first card . The fan increased to 100% and The only way to decrease it was to disable manual fan control.

Well, On a better note . I do know that "ATI" does see stuff in the forum. so that is a little comfort to me.

I think my main game Dirt 2 has issues. I think the frames went up on the in game fps counter but I feel the game is not running properly. I had corruption in graphics upon first boot but after a reboot thats gone.

Now though I get what seems like major slowdown at certain times, usually with water it goes into a la fear slow motion mode for a split second and I see the lag in the game menu now and then.

I think I may go back to 9.11 not sure yet.

There was 3 things I noticed in Dirt after the hotfix.

1. When running benchmark . Every time it would go through the water and would get the water effect on the windshield. it would just about lock up. didn't have that with just one card running benchmark. "same settings"

2. When I would be in game. and fell off a cliff. tried to flashback and it would only go to a certain point. It would not go to the point right before the car left the road.

3. When I changed options in options menu. Game locked up. only happened twice.

Just got a blue screen in Borderlands sweet. Didn't have this problem before the new driver. Bad Pool Caller BSOD. Don't know if this is related to driver or not but.....

yeah i noticed something weird with the new 9.12, when installing over 9.11 drivers i got a black/white screen however i had eyefinity and all 3 monitors connected DVI+DVI+DP, so i disabled both 1x DVI and DP and used a single monitor during install and it worked. i spent all night trying to figure out why these new drivers wont install, i reinstalled 9.11, uninstalled 9.11 completely to install 9.12.. only solution boiled down to disconnecting 2 monitors and install with 1 monitor.

im pretty sure guys that this is the very first premature driver with crossfire + eyefinity support, id prolly give it another 2 - 4 driver revisions to get both crossfire + eyefinity working solid.

So just asking, does the new drivers still allow for the 4800 seies to use TH resolusions, because i've had the same drivers since I built my compy in the summer. I think I'm on 9.8 or 9.9.

Yeah eyefinity stays in place while uninstalling/installing the new drivers. I could not go from 9.11 -> 9.12 unless I disabled eyefinity first. I also ran driver sweeper to make sure I was golden. I booted with just 1 screen working and a low resolution so I know the drivers were gone.

After installing 9.12 hotfix I had all 3 screens back and my driver version shows 9.12 so I know it works. Still though not sure about the drivers being better for me in any way they seem worse. Now I have to track down the 9.11's lol.

I was hoping if anything it would fix the profiles for enabling/disabling eyefinity

well I've spent much more time trying to fix the black and white monitor issue then I'd really care to think about already at this point. After installing and uninstalling numerous times I managed to get DVI port 2 back to color but now my mini DP port will only display black and white :evil: I can't seem to figure out what to do, so I guess I'm going to go back to 9.11 and just wait for ATI to fix the problem.

Yeah eyefinity stays in place while uninstalling/installing the new drivers. I could not go from 9.11 -> 9.12 unless I disabled eyefinity first. I also ran driver sweeper to make sure I was golden. I booted with just 1 screen working and a low resolution so I know the drivers were gone.

After installing 9.12 hotfix I had all 3 screens back and my driver version shows 9.12 so I know it works. Still though not sure about the drivers being better for me in any way they seem worse. Now I have to track down the 9.11's lol.

I was hoping if anything it would fix the profiles for enabling/disabling eyefinity

Yea that's what I was hoping would be fixed as well. Guess not maybe in 6 months it will be working right. But by then fermi will be out and if they have something like Eyefinity I will be switching to that.

As mentioned in the other thread, the profile fix will be available in a couple of months. It hasn't been a couple of months since that was stated.

Yea that's what I was hoping would be fixed as well. Guess not maybe in 6 months it will be working right. But by then fermi will be out and if they have something like Eyefinity I will be switching to that.

And whose to say that they won't have similar issues? And that is IF they have anything like this. You can't burn that which hasn't grown yet, give these things time. Report the issues, but don't burn down the forest.

As mentioned in the other thread, the profile fix will be available in a couple of months. It hasn't been a couple of months since that was stated.

Right but by the time they do get fixed from the time the cards were released uhhhhh..... REALLY!!! is that how long it takes.

[quote]Yea that's what I was hoping would be fixed as well. Guess not maybe in 6 months it will be working right. But by then fermi will be out and if they have something like Eyefinity I will be switching to that.

And whose to say that they won't have similar issues? And that is IF they have anything like this. You can't burn that which hasn't grown yet, give these things time. Report the issues, but don't burn down the forest.


Well I am not a fan boy and can admit that. But the thing is and everyone knows it if and when it does happen we will/would not see these problems from Nvidia. I have never ever had any problems with Nvidia cards. Right when they released physx on cards worked right out of the box click enable physx boom works. Anything just using that as an example. Don't release something that has been advertised to do certain features and then have your customers be your testers. I should not have to sit here and post back all the problems I have. They should already been found and fixed. Why didn't ATI wait to release the 58 series cards obviously because they knew Nvidia would be a little longer and wanted to get ahead of them in sales. They know if they released at the same time they would have lost many sales. So they didn't bother working out the kinks. They released a very unfinished product.

I mean really Hotkeys/Shortcuts switching profiles. Is this just something you guys just thought about doing. Why is it even a feature if you know it does not work right. All you guys that are sitting hear sticking up for this BS are a bunch of fan boys. You got ati so far up your you know what to realize or admit any problems. You know that when Nvidia does release something like this we will not see as many bugs because they are not going to release something that works half ass like this.

[quote]Yeah eyefinity stays in place while uninstalling/installing the new drivers. I could not go from 9.11 -> 9.12 unless I disabled eyefinity first. I also ran driver sweeper to make sure I was golden. I booted with just 1 screen working and a low resolution so I know the drivers were gone.

After installing 9.12 hotfix I had all 3 screens back and my driver version shows 9.12 so I know it works. Still though not sure about the drivers being better for me in any way they seem worse. Now I have to track down the 9.11's lol.

I was hoping if anything it would fix the profiles for enabling/disabling eyefinity

Yea that's what I was hoping would be fixed as well. Guess not maybe in 6 months it will be working right. But by then fermi will be out and if they have something like Eyefinity I will be switching to that.
Dude, I was just as annoyed as you at first, but I gotta admit ATI is making a big comeback. They are churning out fixes quickly and they work, by and large.

Just saying. I like to reward hard work and success. Not just punish failure.

[quote][quote]Yeah eyefinity stays in place while uninstalling/installing the new drivers. I could not go from 9.11 -> 9.12 unless I disabled eyefinity first. I also ran driver sweeper to make sure I was golden. I booted with just 1 screen working and a low resolution so I know the drivers were gone.

After installing 9.12 hotfix I had all 3 screens back and my driver version shows 9.12 so I know it works. Still though not sure about the drivers being better for me in any way they seem worse. Now I have to track down the 9.11's lol.

I was hoping if anything it would fix the profiles for enabling/disabling eyefinity

Yea that's what I was hoping would be fixed as well. Guess not maybe in 6 months it will be working right. But by then fermi will be out and if they have something like Eyefinity I will be switching to that.
Dude, I was just as annoyed as you at first, but I gotta admit ATI is making a big comeback. They are churning out fixes quickly and they work, by and large.

Just saying. I like to reward hard work and success. Not just punish failure.

I would not say another 2 months from now to get a basic feature fixed is exactly quick. And yea I am annoyed I was sitting here thinking that 9.12 was going to actually fix some things but the only thing it fixed I guess is crossfire and the only real improvements people have been seeing is tri fire. Now how about you fix features that already exist now I am hearing rumors about 10.1 releasing on the 7th and something to do with 3D. Might be just rumors but is there going to be anything in 10.1 that will fix eyefinity issues or fix hotkeys/shortcuts. Or are they just going to add more broken features.

[quote][quote]Yea that's what I was hoping would be fixed as well. Guess not maybe in 6 months it will be working right. But by then fermi will be out and if they have something like Eyefinity I will be switching to that.

And whose to say that they won't have similar issues? And that is IF they have anything like this. You can't burn that which hasn't grown yet, give these things time. Report the issues, but don't burn down the forest.


Well I am not a fan boy and can admit that. But the thing is and everyone knows it if and when it does happen we will/would not see these problems from Nvidia. I have never ever had any problems with Nvidia cards. Right when they released physx on cards worked right out of the box click enable physx boom works. Anything just using that as an example. Don't release something that has been advertised to do certain features and then have your customers be your testers. I should not have to sit here and post back all the problems I have. They should already been found and fixed. Why didn't ATI wait to release the 58 series cards obviously because they knew Nvidia would be a little longer and wanted to get ahead of them in sales. They know if they released at the same time they would have lost many sales. So they didn't bother working out the kinks. They released a very unfinished product.

I mean really Hotkeys/Shortcuts switching profiles. Is this just something you guys just thought about doing. Why is it even a feature if you know it does not work right. All you guys that are sitting hear sticking up for this BS are a bunch of fan boys. You got ati so far up your you know what to realize or admit any problems. You know that when Nvidia does release something like this we will not see as many bugs because they are not going to release something that works half ass like this.

Well then we can blame the higher ups for that, and not the engineers (unless of course they gave it the go). Another issue is that Phsyx was already good to go way before NVidia bought it and implemented it. Eyefinity was not (TH2G was the closest, but by no means was everything either).

Well then we can blame the higher ups for that, and not the engineers (unless of course they gave it the go). Another issue is that Phsyx was already good to go way before NVidia bought it and implemented it. Eyefinity was not (TH2G was the closest, but by no means was everything either).

Well I got a warning from a mod so I guess someone complained and got mad or something but I was just stating my opinion and facts. I did not call anyone a "fanboy" just stated that "I" was not a fanboy.

Anyway what do you mean "by no means was everything", give me an example of something that didn't work with Nvidia cards or the drivers! I am just saying I think they should have held off to release such features till they were solid. They could have still released the cards I guess but they could have held off on the whole eyefinity thing. All the advertisements and even the Video from Sapphire showing how to hook up 3 monitors using an active adapter. But yet not everyone has had succesfull results. Now they are what looks like to be rebranding a dell adapter with a Sapphire sticker on it. So in my opinion ATI is ok with this because they have ATI Eyefinity written all over the box of the Sapphire adapter. I don't think they could do that with out the ok from ATI. So that again leads me to believe there has not been much testing going into all this.

What is ATI going to do when they actually release that adapter with FAILED results and many pissed off customers for buying into false advertisement.

Also I am starting to get flickering from my DP to DVI monitor for the first time after installing 9.12 so.... again I think I have reasons to be irritated and think I am with in reason to state my opinion on such topic. It's not like this whole eyefinity thing is a cheap solution. People have spent a lot of money to get this going, and have still not been able to get solid results.