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Woohoo! Got my steam account back! :D
Played the demo of Shift tonight with seemingly no problems apart from it's not all that good. I won't be in no rush to get it, if at all (even though my girls like to get the NFS titles for me for xmas) I will try and put them off; Grid is far far better.

Well in any event, no problems at all with Shift or RE5 here... both running at 1080p with AA and all the fixins at 50-60fps. If it is an ATI issue, I wish you guys luck in resolving it, but I just don't believe officially supported cards from the developer can be the cause of issues themselves. It's just completely nonsensical, as those would have been used for testing, and a lot of people are using them just fine.

And your card is not supported, and just because it might be faster than a supported card does not make it one... it is from a previous generation of cards.

Actually for Shift it IS supported, and I still think you are mistakenly over simplifying this.

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Two racing sim TH setups? You're an asshole.

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Reason: flaming post.

Wow, it's not very friendly around here.

Hi, Abram,

I take your response as a humorous expression :D. I've been lurking on this forum for almost a year now. A lot of great information here! You can see from my post-count that I haven't spoken much in that year. Also, I have not posted my setups for fear of comments like the one above.

Cheers.

phantom

Actually for Shift it IS supported, and I still think you are mistakenly over simplifying this.

I was referring to RE5, which you stated your card was not supported but was faster than a supported card. I thought my specific referrence to your comment would make that obvious.

As for over-simplifying things, I thought that was what I was arguing against... "this game doesn't work with ATI cards" is a simplification, when since it works with a lot of ATI cards, the same models people have trouble with, it is obviously something more complicated, such as "ATI cards running on certain drivers with certain other drivers on the same PC" or something similar.

My point was to say we should NOT simplify the issue, rather than the opposite.

For instance, someone on nvn recently talked about Thief 3 and it not running on Win7. "Well, this game just does not work because of Win7... Direct2Drive shouldn't be selling it" he said. When I and someoen else pointed out Thief 3 does work on our Win7 computers, 64bit the same as his, he was like "oh... everyone said it just doesn't work on Win7." He didn't even try compatability or admin modes or anything, the game crashed, he read on some forum the game doesn't run on Win7, and he started complaining.

That is the kind of simplified generalization on help topics I try to avoid.

When a problem is known, it happens for all users. Sacrifice has severe issues on 64bit systems... we know it is 64bit because everyone with a 64bit OS has the same issue. Metal Gear Solid 2 doesn't work with modern Windows because of sound driver issues, we know this because to play the game on a modern OS you need to disable your sound care.

Same issues for everyone with the same hardware/OS... that is how you prove the issue is rooted in a firm problem.

..."this game doesn't work with ATI cards"

You misquoted what I said, "won't play on most ATI based rigs", is in fact what I actually said. By oversimplifying I mean you so easily assume one or a few people on ATI based rigs (as has been reported here) being able to play it automatically means ALL people on ATI based systems should. That couldn't be farther from the truth and is not only an oversimplification but a big reason games are beta tested so piss poorly anymore. You don't even acknowledge at all that there are different drivers used for different ATI GPUs like I said regarding Avivo and the workarounds I mentioned some have tried because of it.

Nor do you seem to acknowledge that some chips work better with others, and only certain games exhibit the problem because the devs have to be aware of such things during the scripting. So yeah, you're oversimplifying, and insulting my intelligence with such blanket statements as works for one, should work for all. That's the same as saying we don't know the hell how to maintain our PCs. Before you irritate me any further I'm just going to ignore any of your remarks from now on because you clearly aren't getting it. :roll:

If there was malice being what i said, you'd know it. Jsut a bit of envy poking through.

And you shouldn't have explain it - if i could swing it, I'd have a fleet of TH setups.

I'm a casual Gamer, mostly single-player FPS, but i am a serious online racing Simmer (several hours per day).

Crysis series
L4D
Far Cry 2
Half Life 2 series

GTR2
GTR Evo / Race 07
rFactor
RBR
GRID
DIRT
iRacing

My sim room:




phantom

Casual?

OMG! I want one of those! How much?

As PS also mentioned, there are serious performance issues with Shift even on high end systems. There appears to be a PhysX and AI performance hit, and I've also noticed graphic corruption. When I started having problems not being able to run any race without a BSOD, it was right after the car gauges turned to a red/green blur instead of showing a dial with a needle and numbers.

I'm not surprised PS got Shift running on a dual GPU ATI card though, as those and Crossfire setups seem to have a much greater chance of it. Since some have said Intel/ATI combos cause problems, I wonder if it's something to do with Intel's crossfire capability in their chipset somehow overriding the API, and working only with dual GPU setups.

Tried it with an E5300 (@3.9GHz)/4GB/8800GT as well. Also a Q6600/4GB/4850... they play about the same, to be honest. Doesn't seem particularly bothered about the difference between duals or quads (or cache, for that matter)... it still runs like shit when I get into a situation where physics is involved. The 8800GT seems to cope a little better than the ATi cards, but it's still an unplayable slideshow fest. One particularly big jerk took me from on the track following the racing line perfectly, to smack into the tyres at the side of the bend about 50 yards ahead. It was like someone shunted me and the physics treated the car like a rubber ball! I'd try it out on my Opteron rig, but that is currently missing both a PSU and a GPU...

If it wasn't for the terrible fps impact of situations involving PhysX, I'd actually say Shift was half decent. As it is, it's next to unplayable for me as a serious game due to it.

I'm a casual Gamer, mostly single-player FPS, but i am a serious online racing Simmer (several hours per day).

phantom

That's really, really impressive. :D

[quote]..."this game doesn't work with ATI cards"

You misquoted what I said, "won't play on most ATI based rigs", is in fact what I actually said.
by that I understand the majority of ATI based computers
which means 51% at the very least of ATI based computers
since there's about 30% ATI users out there ( http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey )

that would mean about 15% of ALL users having issues with this game
that would be a lot, and if that's really the case then the developers and producers have a major strategy problem. 5% of users affected... is already pretty big and will provoke quite an uproar on communities ...

Somehow I have a hard time believing this, which doesn't mean that it's true or false, just that it's really a big mistake from a pure financial point of view and we all know that money is never taken lightly...
in the end I think Sting got a point, your statement was a bit over the top.

However that's only my humble opinion and it's only conjectures... so it does not mean a single thing on your intelligence or anything for that matter :wink:

Peace :onethumb

I'm going to just ignore that BS Whis and refuse to comment other than to say you are ignorant of the scads of people mentioning the problem on ATI rigs, yet very few by comparison on Nvidia. Check up on it before spewing speculating.

I'm going to just ignore that BS Whis and refuse to comment other than to say you are ignorant of the scads of people mentioning the problem on ATI rigs, yet very few by comparison on Nvidia. Check up on it before spewing speculating.

All that they are saying is that even though there might be lots of people having problems, contrary to you're quote I'm sure that it plays fine on most ATI based rigs. The ones who have it working fine never say that they do, they just play.

[quote]I'm going to just ignore that BS Whis and refuse to comment other than to say you are ignorant of the scads of people mentioning the problem on ATI rigs, yet very few by comparison on Nvidia. Check up on it before spewing speculating.

All that they are saying is that even though there might be lots of people having problems, contrary to you're quote I'm sure that it plays fine on most ATI based rigs. The ones who have it working fine never say that they do, they just play.

Exactly.

And more to the point, it is probably not a specific issue with all ATI cards in certain categories, or else the problem would be more widespread.

And again, it was never a personal comment, and I don't know why it was taken as such.

Sweet, with all that ATI conversation out of the way, lets get back on topic... 8) :w00t

I'm finding lately that I'm wasting money on games, and I Think that's because I recently got a house so I'd rather buy something for that than a game. My proiorities have changed so games slide down the list.

I still very much enjoy the gaming side of computers, just feel that the games I have are good to play over and over.

Well i'm either getting Batman or Resi5 this week, haven't decided yet. Since all i've done is slam money into this house and five games that I want have been released all in one go, I think it's time to treat myself.....

Playing Red Faction: Guerrilla now, and actually getting less lag on my P4 than many with dual core rigs are describing. I really only get bad lag when toppling big buildings, which most but those with quads seem to be saying. You can't judge a game by what one or a few say they experience. I would never imply the game runs fine on all P4s merely because I can run it on mine like has been implied above about ATI cards on Shift and RE5.

RF: G is a crazy game. It's very fun and fast paced with lots of action and effects, but in some ways it just doesn't make sense. AI are useful in battle, but get in your way and hang so close the buildings you destroy topple on them as they scream. Enemies respawn constantly and swarm with vehicles that often pile up and trap AI. I even had to use my rocket launcher to escape such a fate myself once after merely going to pick up some ammo.

Intense battles, nice vehicles and weapons, wide open landscapes, wonderful destruction capabilities, yet ironically too much clutter, cramped quarters, and no ability to command AI to avoid them smothering you like drunk puppies. This game is overall very worth playing, but it sadly makes nowhere full use of it's potential.

There are challenges in tanks where you have to destroy scads of vehicles, but while staying in a small circle. It's as if the devs thought, what the heck, lets just use the massive maps for traveling around in and have all the combat take place in one small space. :roll:

Well i'm either getting Batman or Resi5 this week, haven't decided yet. Since all i've done is slam money into this house and five games that I want have been released all in one go, I think it's time to treat myself.....

Well I went mad and bought both (what the hell); can only seem to play resi5 on DX9 as DX10 keeps locking up and to be truthful it's a bit of a dissapointment for me; batman seems good and loads of fun though.