Modern WarFAIL 2

Mythiasis · Post by **Mythiasis** » 13 Nov 2009, 20:44

Progress on LAN and dedicated servers...

http://www.teknogods.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=227

Wow, so fast! It's beta but it works!

Looks like it supports the Spec Ops game play, but not the MP; yet.

JohnnyWakko · Post by **JohnnyWakko** » 13 Nov 2009, 22:40

To say that boycotting and voicing disagreement does not work is incorrect. It doesn't always work, but it is better than being pissweak and saying nothing when you believe in or fundamentally disagree with something.

In Australia, Ebay tried to make PayPal compulsary, ie removing the ability to make cash/transfer payments which increased the sellers costs, and increased Ebay's income (I think Ebay owns PayPal) under the guise of "Security" and "buyer protection". There was a very large lash back & boycotting from the Ebay public, including complaints, media attention and so forth. Eventually a Government Body responded and Ebay had to do a backflip on thier decision.

stenchlord · Post by **stenchlord** » 14 Nov 2009, 01:04

To say that boycotting and voicing disagreement does not work is incorrect. It doesn't always work, but it is better than being pissweak and saying nothing when you believe in or fundamentally disagree with something.

In Australia, Ebay tried to make PayPal compulsary, ie removing the ability to make cash/transfer payments which increased the sellers costs, and increased Ebay's income (I think Ebay owns PayPal) under the guise of "Security" and "buyer protection". There was a very large lash back & boycotting from the Ebay public, including complaints, media attention and so forth. Eventually a Government Body responded and Ebay had to do a backflip on thier decision.

I didn't say boycotting and voicing disagreement doesn't work. I said that in this situation, it won't work and people just cut themselves short in terms of missing out on a really good game. It's only detrimental to themselves since IW isn't going to add in dedicated server support, the monetary possibilities are worth too much for them to want to add that support in and it means that you just miss out on a great game. Single player was seriously great fun and the multi-player is at least functional. A couple things could be changed to improve it but for the time being it's definitely functional.

EDIT: Some updates to the game will hopefully include things like being able to choose region (it occasionally tries to hook me up to a US game if it can't find a game that very second locally). Although I have now edited the cl_maxping option in the .cfg so that shouldn't be an issue anymore.

Post by **GeneralAdmission** » 14 Nov 2009, 01:13

It definitely is a step backwards in terms of PC MP, I just can't understand why people would boycott it when it won't make a significant enough difference to make IW think about going back to allowing dedicated servers.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't expect IW to reconsider their positions, release dedis, or "change their tune", so to speak. This isn't my goal. I won't buy their game primarily because I refuse to pay money in support of underhanded and deceitful business tactics. Secondary to this, I believe they are going in the wrong direction with PC technology, to the detriment of the customer/gamer's experience. There are more reasons, such as the absurdity of a $60 price tag, the brevity and linearity of the SP campaign, etc.

Progress on LAN and dedicated servers...
http://www.teknogods.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=227
Wow, so fast! It's beta but it works!

Awesome community win.

To say that boycotting and voicing disagreement does not work is incorrect. It doesn't always work, but it is better than being pissweak and saying nothing when you believe in or fundamentally disagree with something.

^^THIS^^

Tanuki · Post by **Tanuki** » 14 Nov 2009, 01:29

Didn't Half-Life 2 retail at higher than 50?

DaFox · Post by **DaFox** » 14 Nov 2009, 02:22

Didn't Half-Life 2 retail at higher than 50?

No, it came in 3 packages Bronze Silver and Gold. Gold was $90USD, Silver must have been $70 with Bronze being $50.

Bronze got you HL2 + CS:S + DOD:S + HL2DM(IIRC?)
Silver got you Bronze + Valves back catalog
Gold got you Silver + a bunch of physical stuff that they shipped to you like a collectors edition box, posters, the soundtrack, a postcard etc.

Post by **The_cranky_hermit** » 14 Nov 2009, 02:55

Silver was 60 and got you every single Valve game (at the time). Bronze was 50 and got you HL2, CS:S, and HL2DM (a few weeks after HL2's launch when they actually released HL2DM), but not DOD:S.

Only dumb people bought anything other than HL2 Silver.

DaFox · Post by **DaFox** » 14 Nov 2009, 04:14

Only dumb people bought anything other than HL2 Silver.

I bought Gold and I was very happy with my purchase TYVM.

Tanuki · Post by **Tanuki** » 14 Nov 2009, 05:22

I think I bought Bronze. I don't really remember but 70 seems too high for what I paid. But I do have Half-Life Source so I guess it worked out for me.

yogibbear · Post by **yogibbear** » 14 Nov 2009, 05:32

I think I bought Bronze. I don't really remember but 70 seems too high for what I paid. But I do have Half-Life Source so I guess it worked out for me.

Maybe you bought that when it was $0.50 or whatever.

Tanuki · Post by **Tanuki** » 14 Nov 2009, 05:43

Maybe you bought that when it was $0.50 or whatever.

And it all worked out in the end. :)

infernus · Post by **infernus** » 14 Nov 2009, 07:03

Guess I'm dumb then. I bought the standard HL2 box (which is Bronze I guess, tbh I don't remember any of these package names). Out of Valve's current catalog, I'm missing about 2 or so games that aren't really worth even HAVING, and anything I acquired to complete (I guess that's just DoD:S) was cheap anyway.

DaFox · Post by **DaFox** » 14 Nov 2009, 07:15

Guess I'm dumb then. I bought the standard HL2 box (which is Bronze I guess, tbh I don't remember any of these package names). Out of Valve's current catalog, I'm missing about 2 or so games that aren't really worth even HAVING, and anything I acquired to complete (I guess that's just DoD:S) was cheap anyway.

https://store.steampowered.com/account/
log in here, it shows your purchase history.

Half-Life 2 Gold Steam Store

stenchlord · Post by **stenchlord** » 14 Nov 2009, 07:26

[quote]It definitely is a step backwards in terms of PC MP, I just can't understand why people would boycott it when it won't make a significant enough difference to make IW think about going back to allowing dedicated servers.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't expect IW to reconsider their positions, release dedis, or "change their tune", so to speak. This isn't my goal. I won't buy their game primarily because I refuse to pay money in support of underhanded and deceitful business tactics. Secondary to this, I believe they are going in the wrong direction with PC technology, to the detriment of the customer/gamer's experience. There are more reasons, such as the absurdity of a $60 price tag, the brevity and linearity of the SP campaign, etc.

I can respect that but as you know there are many out there "boycotting" just to be spiteful or in the belief that they're going to change IW's mind when I just can't see that as being the case.

The SP though is hugely fun, there are times when a good linear storyline is so much better than this open world kind of gameplay. It used to be the norm for linearity to be the majority of games but roles seem to have switched and I'm quite sick of open world gameplay that takes forever to finish. It's nice to be able to sit down have things presented on a platter and for me to eat it all up in one sitting.

Post by **The_cranky_hermit** » 14 Nov 2009, 08:39

But I do have Half-Life Source so I guess it worked out for me.

HL1 Anthology >> HL:S. The former comes with two expansion packs, the latter comes with nice looking water, buggy AI, and buggy physics.

Out of Valve's current catalog, I'm missing about 2 or so games that aren't really worth even HAVING, and anything I acquired to complete (I guess that's just DoD:S) was cheap anyway

DoD:S on its own is $10, and that's assuming you bought it recently. That same $10 could have gotten HL2: Silver instead of Bronze, which includes far more than DoD:S.

yogibbear · Post by **yogibbear** » 14 Nov 2009, 09:09

[quote][quote]It definitely is a step backwards in terms of PC MP, I just can't understand why people would boycott it when it won't make a significant enough difference to make IW think about going back to allowing dedicated servers.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't expect IW to reconsider their positions, release dedis, or "change their tune", so to speak. This isn't my goal. I won't buy their game primarily because I refuse to pay money in support of underhanded and deceitful business tactics. Secondary to this, I believe they are going in the wrong direction with PC technology, to the detriment of the customer/gamer's experience. There are more reasons, such as the absurdity of a $60 price tag, the brevity and linearity of the SP campaign, etc.

I can respect that but as you know there are many out there "boycotting" just to be spiteful or in the belief that they're going to change IW's mind when I just can't see that as being the case.

The SP though is hugely fun, there are times when a good linear storyline is so much better than this open world kind of gameplay. It used to be the norm for linearity to be the majority of games but roles seem to have switched and I'm quite sick of open world gameplay that takes forever to finish. It's nice to be able to sit down have things presented on a platter and for me to eat it all up in one sitting.

Well then put me in the pointless boycotting box then... as I am boycotting it and not pirating it in the hope that they either patch back in dedicated servers or if and when Modern Warfare 3 comes around they decide to put dedicated servers back in.

Battlefield BC2 for me at this point.

DaFox · Post by **DaFox** » 14 Nov 2009, 09:14

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6109232.html

Post by **Abram** » 14 Nov 2009, 09:15

Well i found out how to kill the music, if anyone's interested.

iw_18 through iw_20.iwl files can be opened with WinRAR, and i just deleted the music folders. I expected to have to make all those little .wav files blank and that simply deleting them would crash the game, but no. It works fine. I think that I'll et an error for MP, but it's easy enough to replace the original fies again and vise-versa for SP.

Yay.

Next up - removing the crosshairs.

Anyoen find the difficulty gaps way too great? I played through COD4 on Hardened but i find it a little too tough with MW2. But Regular is far too easy.... it's weird.

Baby steps, i guess.

Post by **GeneralAdmission** » 14 Nov 2009, 10:04

I can respect that but as you know there are many out there "boycotting" just to be spiteful or in the belief that they're going to change IW's mind when I just can't see that as being the case.

True. To each their own...though I do think it silly that a number of Steam "boycotters" are playing the game on release day.

The SP though is hugely fun, there are times when a good linear storyline is so much better than this open world kind of gameplay. It used to be the norm for linearity to be the majority of games but roles seem to have switched and I'm quite sick of open world gameplay that takes forever to finish. It's nice to be able to sit down have things presented on a platter and for me to eat it all up in one sitting.

I can appreciate a good, linear SP campaign. I've enjoyed many. More than most, though, CoD seems to be really heavy on scripting, and that leaves me with the feeling that my in-game actions amount to very little more than script-triggering. Kills any desire for me to replay (or even play) a campaign when most of the game is watching things happen rather than making things happen. Just my personal preference, of course. Now, a lower price point would make me more inclined to grab such a game as the cost would be more in line with my perceived value. MW2 will probably never be on my shelf, but there will be others. If WaW ever drops into my target price range I'll be buying it for the co-op.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6109232.html

The best part of that article:

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Atomicfireball
Posted Aug 18, 2008 3:34 pm PT
i have half life 3

:lol:

Well i found out how to kill the music

Nice work. I'm a little surprised that the game archives are so easily accessible. A little tease for the modders, I suppose. ;)

Tanuki · Post by **Tanuki** » 14 Nov 2009, 17:14

HL1 Anthology >> HL:S.

I already had HL1 and Blueshift. I never finished either game so I doubt I am missing much with Opposing Force.

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