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Get out of my brain Paradigm Shifter, I was just about to post a comment on that very thing haha. :D

I get the impression that the split is for dvi/dvi/hdmi as you say, something of which Zotec pulled off with a GTX460 card.
However as we read from 01Boxer's post, it could allow for a larger central monitor with 2 smaller side screens... potentially ideal for PLP setups :D

Ibrin :nudgenudge we await your reviews ;P

Ohhhhh got a link to the source of that please?
Very interesting, although I think gaming on different monitors would look a bit odd, it does expand the overall flexability of the card a great deal :D

Wondered the same, so I googled after it using some of the text :)

http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/10/21/amds-6870-brings-lots-goodies/

Ah ha - good call ;)

Excellent. ;) Great minds think alike? 8)

Can hope for full EyeFinity based coverage from Ibrin - he's got a hell of a lot more work to do than most of the other reviewers, as they just test at the same bog-standard resolutions. Where games really grind now are Surround resolutions - testing at 1680x1050 and 1920x1200 are useful for comparing back to older cards, but the hostility many review sites show to Surround (much like they did with widescreen years back) is just... petty and stupid.

Some of this is limited by Windows however, the DRM inflicted by that OS selling users out to the content MAFIAA limits what you can do, but on Linux, it should just work, ATI drivers willing. In any case, any limits are not in the hardware any more.

This bit doesn't sound good.

It won't be the first time that PVP/PAP/HDCP cause problems for stuff on computers that should "just work dammit".

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If these cards do what they seem to be saying, it looks like we might have bezel management on non-identical monitors...

Which means if AMD is a better buy than nVidia in the future, I can switch without issue.

Awesome.

I saw that comment, but the DRM has not changed compared to as before, the DRM still requires a secure conneciton between the disc to the monitor.
Although there are a number of workarounds for even that.
I have not really found the DRM to be that intrusive from my experience, the biggest bug was needing to have a secure link from disc to display of cause, however this is not just a windows DRM, this applies to linux, and any standalone player. :shrug:

I would be interested to see a comparison of no AA, tradional AA and this new morph(MOO) AA, could do with some more examples specially with a full scene, as MOO appears from what I have seen more like a massive blur, however at least it should perform a lot quicker with this enabled compared to traditional AA.
It is interesting to see that it seems to work on desktop applications too, not so sure i want a blury edge windows, specially for the likes of any text.
I would hope that the drivers are smart enough to have this disabled during desktop operations.

Ibrin should also test the new beta driver which gives Morphological AA. Its Directcompute based AA, so it might be a good workaround for AA in high Eyefinity resolutions. :D

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6870-radeon-hd-6850-barts,2776-4.html

This new release have been great! All this new tech to read up on (I'm buying a Cayman next month I think to test it). :D

As a big bonus and consumer win, there is a price war/price reduction, which means I might pick up a GTX 460 as well when the low prices hit Norway. Should be nice to have both for testing and troubleshooting. :)

As a big bonus and consumer win, there is a price war/price reduction, which means I might pick up a GTX 460 as well when the low prices hit Norway. Should be nice to have both for testing and troubleshooting. :)

I'll think more seriously about going AMD for GPUs when 2GB cards come out. 1GB is a huge bottleneck in Surround. HUGE.

If you want to try GTX460 Surround, providing I can have the cards back, I might be able to lend you a couple of 1GB GTX460s? Depends when you want to do it, as I've got plans for 'em and an SLI-capable AMD hexacore. :rockout Either the Crosshair IV Extreme (if I feel like blowing £250+ on a mobo) or one of the 980a Asus boards for £90... reason for this? I want to test Surround out further on an AMD system (stock and overclocked)...

Dammit, new post...

That morphological AA looks like it could be good. The only pics I've seen so far as so zoomed in that everything is either a blurry mess or a pixelated nightmare, so I'd need to see it for myself to decide solidly. :)

Dammit, new post...

That morphological AA looks like it could be good. The only pics I've seen so far as so zoomed in that everything is either a blurry mess or a pixelated nightmare, so I'd need to see it for myself to decide solidly. :)

+1 some full scenes would be handy.
Loving the lack of perfomance hit however :D

If you want to try GTX460 Surround, providing I can have the cards back, I might be able to lend you a couple of 1GB GTX460s? Depends when you want to do it, as I've got plans for 'em and an SLI-capable AMD hexacore. :rockout Either the Crosshair IV Extreme (if I feel like blowing £250+ on a mobo) or one of the 980a Asus boards for £90... reason for this? I want to test Surround out further on an AMD system (stock and overclocked)...

Nice! :D I wonder how the AMD's compare. I've preferred Intel the last 4 CPU purchases (since my first C2D), due to lower heat and therefore I can lower noise. :)

I want to buy a single card for troubleshooting drivers and functions for members (resolutions etc) and also if Nvidia comes with some new features. Thanks though, it would have been a great offer if just to test surround. :D

MLAA seems to be a possible solution for Eyefinity AA, since it doesn't have high bandwidth requirements according to AT:

MLAA is not a new AA method, but it is the first time we’re seeing it on a PC video card. It’s already in use on video game consoles, where it’s a cheap way to implement AA without requiring the kind of memory bandwidth MSAA requires. In fact it’s an all-around cheap way to perform AA, as it doesn’t require too much computational time either.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3987/amds-radeon-6870-6850-renewing-competition-in-the-midrange-market/3

According to Catalystmaker it will be backported to 5000 series in the future:
http://twitter.com/obiwantoby/status/28409832380

Here's more on MLAA from Rage3d:
http://www.rage3d.com/reviews/video/amd_hd6870_hd6850_launch_review/index.php?p=4

Well, I showed how they behave on a stock Core i7 CPU... am doing the Core i7 Overclocked runs as soon as I get time to sit down for a couple of days... so for fairness (and to really check that AMD CPU systems are no worse for gaming) I want to try with an AMD rig.

Well, that and after overclocking a Foxconn Blackops I'm sick of Intel chips for the time being and want to try AMD out again... good times were had overclocking my Opteron 170. :D

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Can only hope that MLAA is as good as it sounds.

Well, I showed how they behave on a stock Core i7 CPU... am doing the Core i7 Overclocked runs as soon as I get time to sit down for a couple of days... so for fairness (and to really check that AMD CPU systems are no worse for gaming) I want to try with an AMD rig.

Well, that and after overclocking a Foxconn Blackops I'm sick of Intel chips for the time being and want to try AMD out again... good times were had overclocking my Opteron 170. :D

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Can only hope that MLAA is as good as it sounds.

I understand the feeling. I miss having both Nvidia and ATI cards. All I have left, is an old 7800GT I salvaged and have as spare. Need a new Nvidia card and especially now that I am using Champix to quit smoking. Almost no sleep and need something to do. :P

MLAA sounds good, but its launch and everything sounds better then. It might be good in some games and others not, but if its cheap to use and uses little memory bandwidth, I think its just what people need for Eyefinity. :)

I understand the feeling. I miss having both Nvidia and ATI cards. All I have left, is an old 7800GT I salvaged and have as spare. Need a new Nvidia card and especially now that I am using Champix to quit smoking. Almost no sleep and need something to do. :P

MLAA sounds good, but its launch and everything sounds better then. It might be good in some games and others not, but if its cheap to use and uses little memory bandwidth, I think its just what people need for Eyefinity. :)

Haha, aye. Good luck on quitting smoking.

I'd like a 5000 series card to play with, but all the ones that are worthwhile are too expensive! ;) (That and AMD don't do bezel management on EyeFinity unless they're all the same monitor... :( hopefully the 6000 series fixes that!)

Haha, aye. Good luck on quitting smoking.

I'd like a 5000 series card to play with, but all the ones that are worthwhile are too expensive! ;) (That and AMD don't do bezel management on EyeFinity unless they're all the same monitor... :( hopefully the 6000 series fixes that!)

Its hard o stop smoking, even with pills. Worst part is that the sleep rhythm is totally broken and I sleep only a couple of hours at night.

Hopefully the Semiaccurate article was correct regarding monitor requirements, but I got the feeling the hub had something to do with it.

Btw, MLAA is now hacked for 5000 series:
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=331108

Its hard o stop smoking, even with pills. Worst part is that the sleep rhythm is totally broken and I sleep only a couple of hours at night.

Hopefully the Semiaccurate article was correct regarding monitor requirements, but I got the feeling the hub had something to do with it.

Btw, MLAA is now hacked for 5000 series:
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=331108

I know, mate; I've had several friends try to quit over the last couple of years... one managed it when she got pregnant, but as soon as her son was born and she went back to work, stress pushed her back into smoking again. :( (Also, the whole 'getting pregnant' thing obviously won't work for you... ;) :mrgreen: )

Hacked drivers. Awesome. My experience of hacked drivers is not a good one, by and large.

I know, mate; I've had several friends try to quit over the last couple of years... one managed it when she got pregnant, but as soon as her son was born and she went back to work, stress pushed her back into smoking again. :( (Also, the whole 'getting pregnant' thing obviously won't work for you... ;) :mrgreen: )

Hacked drivers. Awesome. My experience of hacked drivers is not a good one, by and large.

Hey, Arnold managed to get pregnant in a movie, so there might be hope yet! :D

The hacked drivers isn't anything major. Only a .inf hack. :)

Thanks to brain_stew at B3D, we have a slipstreamed edition for 5000 series:
http://www.mediafire.com/?5h6cpooivo4sbox

Did a test in ME2 and the results were good. Need to test performance hit though. Could only capture in a window with windows snap tool:



Looks like some pixel blend effect which targets spesifically the edges. :)

WSGF was not a source of the leak. I never asked Ibrin for the tool and my source wasn't even aware that it was still under NDA.
I've removed it elsewhere as well, now that I know its under NDA. :)

That's where all me posts went! Well that answers why the "AA-who-must-not-be-named" didn't work as well as it should have, if it existed in the first place.