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In their defense, I am sure people can use the original as a basis for deciding if they want the very similar sequel.

was Terminator 3 as good as number 1 or 2 ?
was Settlers 4 or 5 as good as settlers 2 ?

I think you got the idea
if a demo is not provided at least provide a few days refunds...

Just release a demo when the game launches. Or say it plays the same as the last one.

[quote]In their defense, I am sure people can use the original as a basis for deciding if they want the very similar sequel.

was Terminator 3 as good as number 1 or 2 ?
was Settlers 4 or 5 as good as settlers 2 ?

I think you got the idea
if a demo is not provided at least provide a few days refunds...

This is a game, not a movie, and it is the same team, the same tech and the same design philosophy. That is pretty telling. I said "very similar" sequel for a reason.

I am not saying they shouldn't release a demo, I am saying I can see not needing one. I certainly don't.

Also, I don't know how Europe can have those return policies... you could just buy and return every game and play them all for free. How does that work?

Also, I don't know how Europe can have those return policies... you could just buy and return every game and play them all for free. How does that work?

the second one wasn't a movie...

there's no PC game return policy in europe most of the time
except for a handful of shops (not online)
and then it's a case by case basis and of course it depends on the amount of time you kept it, and how you present things too
(for example "I want my money back now bitch!" is probably not the best way to handle things ;) )
Actually most "physical" shops have a very limited PC collection of games due to online shops rising in power...

I just mentioned return policy because that's one of the things from the gamer's bill of rights, which have already been done. And it seems overall very few people really use this possibility when it's present... of course it is yet to be done on a major AAA big hit title...

I think at this point in time if you want to get an illegal version of a game you don't need a shop's services at all, so given that, I see no reason not to accept returns (except if there's a DRM limitation on the matter)

my cousin's girlfriend works in a shop and I sometimes "use her" as feedback to see when a game has problems or not, she knows it quite fast as customers go back to her shop ...
she's very cool and a gamer too,

Providing a demo nullifies one of the points many pirates try to use to justify their activities - the "I'm not paying $60 for a game only to find I don't like it!" justification. I'm not saying that that is a good justification - it isn't. But devs/pubs need to provide every reason for people not to pirate. But they aren't, they actually seem to be doing their best to encourage it.

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You can't return PC games anywhere if they've been opened. This is particularly annoying as they are actually breaking the law - the EULA states that if you do not agree with said EULA, you can return the product for a full refund. However, you can't read the EULA until you've opened the box and put the disc in the computer. Which means you can't return it. Impressively, this means that these shops are breaking the law, but no one seems to ever bring this up. (I did bring this up, once, loudly, in a packed GAME store pre-Christmas. I've never seen the manager of one of those stores move so fast in my life... :lol:) PC games (and most PC software) seem to be the one type of item for sale, where pretty much all of the various consumer-supporting laws are just... forgotten. Or ignored. I'm not sure which is worse.

Console games, on the other hand, are not so hampered. I've got a couple of console-gamer friends who buy new games on release day, play them for a few days (which is usually enough to complete the game at least once, unless it's a JRPG) then take them back for a refund. One of them must have a hundred games on his 360 gamertag that he hasn't owned for more than four days.

Actually, since the stores didn't write the EULA - they can't be bound by it. If the EULA does say you can return the game, and you want to, you should bring it up with the publisher. If they refuse, then they are breaking the law.

Well it fails at multi-monitor res, just like CoD4

And it fails at match making... I just missed the screenie but I did a quick MP join to check it out (can't play til tonight) and I started a match which had 4v4.... IWNet put the four guys who were privates on one team the the ones which were all at least rank 8 on the other!

FAIL

At least cos it is STEAM you don't have to put the disk in!

Although I dunno if you can sell it... I have sold Dark Messiah after it attached itself to steam... I can still play DM on steam even though I sold the disk! Naughty I know but it wasn't my plan.....

MSNBC Homepage.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30501433/vp/33683633#33683633

I"m gonna get the game tomrrow but they won't see a cent of my money ;)

that will be my "demo"

MSNBC Homepage.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30501433/vp/33683633#33683633

lol:

"...decision not to use client-side dedicated servers for the PC"

Terminology fail.

I"m gonna get the game tomrrow but they won't see a cent of my money ;)

that will be my "demo"

That wont solve anything.

[quote]MSNBC Homepage.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30501433/vp/33683633#33683633

lol:

"...decision not to use client-side dedicated servers for the PC"

Terminology fail.

that was the best part, i got a laugh out of it.

hate u activision/infinity ward.

just cancelled my pre-order.

i am not bending over.

i'll just wait for a "full version demo" from some places online.

Some advice.

If you think pirating the game en masse will bring about an answer to your dilemma then you are correct. But I don't think you will like what that answer will be.

completely ignoring the PC community and stop the making of games for the platform?

Yeah, all this subtle talk of piracy is tragic... you would think people on a mature forum like this one would know better.

hate u activision/infinity ward.

just cancelled my pre-order.

i am not bending over.

i'll just wait for a "full version demo" from some places online.

Why did you pre-order it in the first place, it has always been known to be the same engine and they never bothered to fix CoD4 (or WaW for that matter). It was never going to be HOR+.

Just thank the Great Chthulu itself for guys like DopeFish! :-)

Just got back from Wal-Mart with my copy... they had these three massive boxes filled with Xbox versions and these two little tiny boxes of PS3 and PC versions. Kind of tells you where were are at in the gaming world.

Game is installing fine on East Coast USA, fyi.

I'm not going to resort to piracy, but I'm also not paying 60 bucks for this game...I dislike the clientside servers, but the dealbreaker is the price. I just can't justify spending more than $50 on a pc game. I know xboxers do that all the time...but that was one thing I liked about pc gaming.

I'll be playing borderlands, tf2, anf left 4 dead 2 until the price drops. Sorry IW.

By me not buying it they'll probably think "wow releasing games on pc is really a waste of time." then pc gaming dies.

Game seems awesome so far, as I knew it would be (singleplayer wise). It is pretty much Modern Warfare again, but it does have a lot better textures I think, or that could be a placebo I guess.

Spec OPS looks awesome as well, and there are a lot of achievements associated with getting a good ranking on it. People say this game offline is 4 hours long but I promise you I will be playing it a lot longer than that.

Also, I hear from my multiplayer pals on Steam and such that it actually works pretty great.