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ATI EyeFinity. another Competitor to Matrox Th2G.

Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 03:19
by BHawthorne
I'm really wanting to know how much more the 6-out card is going to be from the regular 3-out ones and most importantly when Newegg will have them in stock. Man, this is gonna be an expensive month. :wink:

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Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 05:36
by geniv2
3 monitor is good enough for me.

in terms of gaming..

3 monitor gives me the advantage of ultra wide file of vision.


but with 6 monitors (assuming it is 2x3 grid like in those pictures) it just seem like a single big 16:9 with high resolution and bezels in between.

I might as well go for a 52" or 60" single HDTV LCD display.
at 6x monitor resolution can your system run at such high resolution?

and also if u sit so close to notice the ultra high resolution then the rest of the pictures is a blurr and away from your vision focus.


I think these people here are idiots. I would just go for a 60" LCD HDTV


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Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 05:41
by geniv2
BTW: seems like some of you are going monitor crazy now.

I got 2 of those dell 2408 ultrasharp monitors brand new sitting in my room now if anyone is interested

selling for $375. they sell for $500+ on the dell website.

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Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 05:56
So is 5 x 24 the new 3x 22? Who wants to but two TH2G one digi one ana?

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Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 06:28
by Mesh
All those ati demos, were they done with or without AA?

if it's without or even just 2x, it's not really that impressive.

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Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 09:43
by Fatmotti
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teE5wqT2DNU

video of dirt 2 demo'd by ati on 3 projectors it looks like

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Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 10:01
by BHawthorne
So is 5 x 24 the new 3x 22?


hehe, that made my day. That's funny. It is for me at least. :lol:

6000x1920 portrait mode will be bada$$ though. And with it being an odd number of screens none of the center FOV bezel inconveniences. And yes, I'm monitor crazy lately. :wink:

Really 3x2 grid doesn't make sense to me. The aspect ratio for that setup is too 5:4 like. 5x1 portrait grid setup is true to surround-screen configuration though.

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Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 10:05
by OzHuski
but with 6 monitors (assuming it is 2x3 grid like in those pictures) it just seem like a single big 16:9 with high resolution and bezels in between.

I might as well go for a 52" or 60" single HDTV LCD display.
at 6x monitor resolution can your system run at such high resolution?


Yeah I agree. I use to use my 42" plasma (only 720p..) before I got my TH2go and quite honestly, I loved it! It just wasnt friendly for my room having to have a desk sitting in the middle of it instead of to the side..

Probably going to stick with my 24" monitors, depending on how thin the bezel is they may convince me to upgrade to them.. but id rather put that to a new 65" TV.

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Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 10:07
by MrCrowley
6000x1920 portrait mode will be bada$$ though. And with it being an odd number of screens none of the center FOV bezel inconveniences. Wink

I think 3x24" horiz span is better than 5x24" in portrait mode, because you have a central widescreen monitor in horiz mode, for me better than a portrait one

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Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 10:10
by BHawthorne
6000x1920 portrait mode will be bada$$ though. And with it being an odd number of screens none of the center FOV bezel inconveniences. Wink

I think 3x24" horiz span is better than 5x24" in portrait mode, because you have a central widescreen monitor in horiz mode, for me better than a portrait one


After using 3x1 24" portrait mode for about 2 weeks now, I'm used to it. Web pages are way easier to deal with in portrait mode. It's mainly a subjective situation with no real right answer though. What is ideal for one isn't for another.

If I'm really going to be doing a new build I might reevaluate my choice of 245BW and sell my 4 and go 5 2343BWX with VESA mounting. I could probably break even on the change in displays and end up with higher resolution.

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Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 11:29
by thales100
I think 3x24" horiz span is better than 5x24" in portrait mode, because you have a central widescreen monitor in horiz mode, for me better than a portrait one


Yep, same here, and 5 monitors = too many bezels :)

Throws 2c into the arena.

Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 12:57
by Johbremat
anyone thinking of 6 monitors for gaming is a nut. Whaayyy to much bezel it would be soo annoying.
I don't believe that the ability or wish to afford and implement a 6-screen solution qualifies one as being a large, dry, oily seed.





I'm already in the process of figuring out what I need to do to use 5x 24" portrait rotated 6000x1920. I'll be doing that as soon as I confirm it's possible.
My thoughts exactly. Though, I may have to consider 5x1050x1680 or 5x1080x1920 (as the missus' setup would have to be updated as well). Also running on 965 with 1x16 and 1x8 PCIE1.0, so would have to build new machines, too.





i would say kudos to ATI for taking the initiative and going 1 better, but it seems like it is a "gimmick", i personally just want 1 screen with insane FPS (read that as 60 because of the LCD limitations Razz). the number of people with space for 3 is low (but we have a few people with them here), and people that would then have 6 screens?
I'm sorry, but I can't see the gimmick myself:
[list]
- they're catering to an existing market
- they're removing an intemediary device
- they're improving on a proven concept
[list] - increased resolution
- plug'n'play
[list] - as in, plug in monitors and play
- NOT plug in USB cable/plug in breakout to card/plug in monitors to card/update firmware/troubleshoot/swear and curse/re-install everything/play[/list:u] - option for 3x1, 2x2, 5x1, 3x2, 6x1
- driver-level implementation
- grouping
- disparate resolutions even as SLS (?)[/list:u][/list:u]





All those ati demos, were they done with or without AA?

if it's without or even just 2x, it's not really that impressive.
*cough*





[quote] I think 3x24" horiz span is better than 5x24" in portrait mode, because you have a central widescreen monitor in horiz mode, for me better than a portrait one


Yep, same here, and 5 monitors = too many bezels :)I'm liking the idea of 5x##. In portrait, the horizontal physical dimension will still be greater than half the vertical physical dimension; depending on what options they offer you may be able to garner a more pleasing FoV by being able to physically maneuver the screens; and how many people here at first took notice of the bezels in their 3x## setups regardless of orientation? My guess is that most of us completely forgot about it within a fortnight and were more concerned about what was hiding around the next corner.





Not considering selling my TH2Go. It must be providence, that I found three screens at work which run natively@1280x1024 and hooked up the unit there BEFORE I found this thread. And I honestly don't think you'd get much for them.

*rubs hands in glee*

Can't wait. Just need to ensure that kidney buyer hasn't fallen through...

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Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 14:54
by ChainSOV
oh please, Ati, get the mixed resolutions thingy to work.

dreaming of

|4:3_|16:10|_4:3| --- 5120*1200 total resolution
|1600|1920|1600|
|1200|1200|1200|

imho the optimal solution in terms of
+widescreen in the middle
+deskspace saving
+inexpensive (the pesky 4:3's havent dropped in price like the widescreens yet :( )
-probably hard to find matching widescreen and 4:3 with same pixelsize and density


and if you need more vertical space

|3:4_|16:10|_3:4| --- 4960*1600 total resolution
|1200|2560|1200|
|1600|1600|1600|

also would be cool, with the 4:3 lcds sideways as 3:4

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Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 15:58
by MrCrowley
and how many people here at first took notice of the bezels in their 3x## setups regardless of orientation?

When you focus on the center monitor usually you don´t notice the outer monitors, but when your center monitor is not so wide and you have many more bezels (100% more, from 2 to 4), is very possible (at least for me), the outer bezels wont pass unnoticed. I tested and played in my rig both horiz and vert configurations (with softth) and I only would use portrait mode would be when there are not alternatives (FOV related), like with Mass Effect or SF4.

I don´t say 5x1 is useless. Yo have advantages for using it. You have more screen space and more desktop workspace, but if you think that bezels are a drawback for multimonitor, 5x1 portrait is not precisely the best case scenary, and I think 3x1 horz span is more inmersive than 5x1 portrait. With 3x1 you have half bezels than 5x1.

ATI EyeFinity. another Competitor to Matrox Th2G.

Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 16:01
by WaveZtream
This card will cost some serious cash I am sure to be able to handle such high resolutions.

Any way again 6 monitors EWWWW that just looks so wrong in every possible way.

Playing MMO with that shit or FPS games ouch characters bottom cut upper body cut no thx.

Again 1,3,5 or 9 monitors if you want to have 1 full clear monitor for the center position.

I still wanna see a 5x setup run on the new ATI card.

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Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 17:28
by Fatmotti
This card will cost some serious cash I am sure to be able to handle such high resolutions.


$450 msrp in the charts I've seen

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Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 18:14
by GeneralAdmission
oh please, Ati, get the mixed resolutions thingy to work.

According to what I was told at the launch event last night this is a Windows limitation (no asymmetric display combinations). I wouldn't hold your breath expecting ATI to fix this.

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Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 18:28
by whismerhill
[quote]oh please, Ati, get the mixed resolutions thingy to work.

According to what I was told at the launch event last night this is a Windows limitation (no asymmetric display combinations). I wouldn't hold your breath expecting ATI to fix this.
me neither though they could probably try to use the bezel management to handle disparity

that is the gfx card would calculate the next rectangular resolution which "holds" all screens

so for example for 1920x1200 + 2x1600x1200
the gfx card would calculate as for 3x1920x1200 then discard what's not needed ...

would create quite a bit of overhead though :?

Re: Throws 2c into the arena.

Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 18:45
by Gilly
i would say kudos to ATI for taking the initiative and going 1 better, but it seems like it is a "gimmick", i personally just want 1 screen with insane FPS (read that as 60 because of the LCD limitations Razz). the number of people with space for 3 is low (but we have a few people with them here), and people that would then have 6 screens?
I'm sorry, but I can't see the gimmick myself:
[list]
- they're catering to an existing market
- they're removing an intemediary device
- they're improving on a proven concept
[list] - increased resolution
- plug'n'play
[list] - as in, plug in monitors and play
- NOT plug in USB cable/plug in breakout to card/plug in monitors to card/update firmware/troubleshoot/swear and curse/re-install everything/play[/list:u] - option for 3x1, 2x2, 5x1, 3x2, 6x1
- driver-level implementation
- grouping
- disparate resolutions even as SLS (?)[/list:u][/list:u]

I see the whole concept of spanning high resolution games, images whatever it is as a gimmick due to the bezels of the screen. Not ATi's technology. I agree that ATi have taken what the TH2Go has done and done it a lot better. I agree with every point you made.

What i mean is... wouldnt a single monitor that is 5760x1200 be far more practical than 3x 1920x1200 screens? Forget how complicated, expensive and impractical one giant screen would be. I think that the idea of running multiple monitors on the same thing is just silly, its never anything i would want to do.

I love the fact that it is possible, and i admire those who like playing immersivly with 3 screens. Its just not for me, i would rather have 1 screen that is big enough for my needs. Im always used to playing FPS games at a level where i enjoy them, you cant cart around 3x22" screens to LAN's very often, let alone the fact that before this ATi thing you pretty much needed SLI of high end cards, with silly amounts of processing power. All this needs cooling and feeding electricity. Im sure there will be one or 2 people that you see on forums like this with 24 monitors, dual 5800X2's and the like, but its not anything you can remove from the house easily.

Sorry for a bit of an off topic post, just to clarify what I meant :)

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Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 20:09
by MrCrowley
What i mean is... wouldnt a single monitor that is 5760x1200 be far more practical than 3x 1920x1200 screens?

Yes. If you can get one that is not outrageously expensive (alienware & nec monitors), then I´ll buy one. But it´s not the case. While, the only way to an inmersive experience is to get extra monitors.

And, for work, it´s more practical many monitors, so you can configure it many ways. 2x2, 3x1 and another in portrait, etc...

I love the fact that it is possible, and i admire those who like playing immersivly with 3 screens. Its just not for me, i would rather have 1 screen that is big enough for my needs

The point with spanning many monitors is to have extra aspect ratio, to get your peripheral visión ´filled´ with peripheral extra real state screen. For movies, a single big screen is way better, but not for games (in general).

You don´t notice the bezels when you´re are playing. If you stop and get farther from the screen, then they become evident, but not when playing at the right distance from them.

you cant cart around 3x22" screens to LAN's very often

It´s way more easier to get around 3x22" than a 50" one to play in a lan, if you compare to a big screen.

let alone the fact that before this ATi thing you pretty much needed SLI of high end cards, with silly amounts of processing power

It´s not so rare (in 3d hardware forums, of course not in outer world) people with configurations like 2x 295gtx or similar for a single 22" 1680x1080 monitor or a 24" one. At least, with 3x22" or similar you can give to your graphic cards some real work.