Choosing monitors

john bentley · Post by **john bentley** » 06 Sep 2009, 17:05

Excizted Is the successor to the vx2262wm, the VX2265wm Edge Gamer available in the Netherlands?

I don't know much about it. It claims a "Revolutionary, pure 120Hz frame rate" (as opposed to 60Hz/57Hz). That might put the price up too much? I'm not sure if using it via TH2G means you can only use 57Hz anyway.

Excizted · Post by **Excizted** » 06 Sep 2009, 17:08

Excizted Is the successor to the vx2262wm, the VX2265wm Edge Gamer available in the Netherlands?

I don't know much about it. It claims a "Revolutionary, pure 120Hz frame rate" (as opposed to 60Hz/57Hz). That might put the price up too much? I'm not sure if using it via TH2G means you can only use 57Hz anyway.

Doesn't look like, and yeah 120hz instead of the standard usually is 1/5 extra in the price.

Btw its Denmark, not Netherlands ;)

john bentley · Post by **john bentley** » 06 Sep 2009, 17:20

Btw its Denmark, not Netherlands

Whoops. Sorry, it is late where I am, I scanned "danish" as "dutch" :)

On the Viewsonic site for Denmark the VX2262wm, that's the 62 not the 65, is listed. Perhaps you could contact them for reseller information?

I also found availability for some monitors a problem when I was going through the process. I share your pain.

Otherwise look under "Candidates Not available in Australia" in "2009-01. The best 22" widescreeen all round monitor" for other possibilities.

Excizted · Post by **Excizted** » 06 Sep 2009, 17:25

Btw its Denmark, not Netherlands

Whoops. Sorry, it is late where I am, I scanned "danish" as "dutch" :)

On the Viewsonic site for Denmark the VX2262wm, that's the 62 not the 65, is listed. Perhaps you could contact them for reseller information?

I also found availability for some monitors a problem when I was going through the process. I share your pain.

Otherwise look under "Candidates Not available in Australia" in "2009-01. The best 22" widescreeen all round monitor" for other possibilities.

Well there should be no need to contact for reseller information, because if it's not popping up through google, then it's not being sold in EU ;o

That test you were talking about, what made the Samsung 2243BW worse?

whismerhill · Post by **whismerhill** » 06 Sep 2009, 23:21

Well there should be no need to contact for reseller information, because if it's not popping up through google, then it's not being sold in EU ;o

lol I wouldn't say google is 100% accurate on everything, this is a myth !
Google is very nice indeed but it's not pure & perfect either ...

for example a week ago I searched google for documentation (pdf) on a dell specific notebook for a friend (4150 or something)

I found documentation for the dell notebook 1150 (first or second result in fact) (the 4150 was nowhere in the list of found results)
fortunately the URL of the pdf documentation for the 1150 was self explanatory and dell website nicely organized so it was just a matter of replacing the 1 with 4 in the url to find it ...

this proves that google does not index everything, so double checking is an option...

whismerhill · Post by **whismerhill** » 06 Sep 2009, 23:37

That test you were talking about, what made the Samsung 2243BW worse?

I don't know about his test but this one gives the 2243BW 2 Stars only because of reactivity and other things : http://www.digitalversus.com/article-358-3280-36.html

john bentley · Post by **john bentley** » 07 Sep 2009, 01:41

If you click through on 2009-01. The best 22" widescreeen all round monitor. you would find

Samsung 2243BWX ( & 2043BW). "In short, the look is sober and ergonomics are more meant for office use rather than gaming." http://www.digitalversus.com/article-358-3280-36.html

This is the same report that whismerhill references.

You would also find my disclaimer that

As noted, my list of examined monitors was not exhaustive. Further, the data on which this conclusion is drawn is based on anecdotal and incomplete reports. The reports are not necessarily reliable.

Aside from my own purchase of the VX2262wm I have no first hand experience with any of the other monitors.

Excizted · Post by **Excizted** » 07 Sep 2009, 10:57

Okay..

I've been reading all of the reviews for the monitors listed, and it seems that the Samsung SyncMaster 2243BW has been rated bad for things like no dead pixels warranty, and viewing angle.

I really don't understand the concerns about viewing angle, since I always have been living with monitors with somewhat this viewing angle - and I don't have any problem with this viewing angle, since I just adjust the monitor so that the viewing angle is fine.

Also my last DGM 22" monitor has had a dead pixel - actually I don't even know about if there was any warranty, I just wouldn't bother because of one out of 1764000 pixels to be dead.

It really seems hard to find a monitor in the middle-price class that has just over 50% review/score. Throwing more money and getting the Dell G2210 would seem as the best alternative to this Samsung, but it is a bit expensive, and I'm not sure whether it'd be suitable for triple-head - or compatible with it at all.

Since I actually need three I won't be able to notice small things like dead pixels 'n such. Ergonomics/adjustable stand doesn't mean a lot neither, since the only adjustable monitor I've ever lived with was a tilt-able Dell 17" monitor, few years ago.

I'm very thankful so far with the advices I've been given,
Kindly Regards,
Sune. :D

whismerhill · Post by **whismerhill** » 07 Sep 2009, 14:29

Okay..

I've been reading all of the reviews for the monitors listed, and it seems that the Samsung SyncMaster 2243BW has been rated bad for things like no dead pixels warranty, and viewing angle.

I really don't understand the concerns about viewing angle, since I always have been living with monitors with somewhat this viewing angle - and I don't have any problem with this viewing angle, since I just adjust the monitor so that the viewing angle is fine.

http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=36&mo1=351&p1=3280&ma2=36&mo2=224&p2=2104&ph=8
seems like this particular screen has a worse lower viewing angle than old samsung 226BW
Also, keep in mind reviews are done for everything or anyone, so it's up to you to virtually give him more "stars" if there's some "issues" you can deal with ...

Finally you forgot game rendering problem (major issue IMO),that is if you intend to use fast 3D games (like FPS) I advise against this screen since it has a permanent ghosting effect .. (see for yourself in the face offs in game rendering best result ...) it won't be noticed in slow pace 3D games though ...

Also my last DGM 22" monitor has had a dead pixel - actually I don't even know about if there was any warranty, I just wouldn't bother because of one out of 1764000 pixels to be dead.

To each his own, I exchanged my Hyundai W220D on day 1 because of one pixel stuck to the blue color right above crosshairs in fps...

Excizted · Post by **Excizted** » 07 Sep 2009, 16:02

Well which monitor should I go with then?
The Samsung isn't good for gaming and the Viewsonic is out of production?

Excizted · Post by **Excizted** » 07 Sep 2009, 20:06

Hello again.

I've been through the list over and over again.. Looks like the choice now is between

Asus VK222H 22" and a Dell UltraSharp 2009W 20".

Maybe I should also consider the Dell E2009W - because the Dell E2009WFP is on the confirmed list?

The Asus VK222H looks useable although I'm not a fan of Asus, and I've never actually seen an Asus monitor in real life before.
And lol this thing has got a 1.3MP webcam integrated xD

For just around the same price is the Dell UltraSharp 2009W 20" except for being a 20" I like this monitors specs and looks a lot.

15% cheaper is the Dell E2009W 20" and it seems just fine, an average monitor - although its a 20". I'm not sure if I can trust this to be working in triplehead, since the confirmed list states an Dell E2009WFP.

All those monitor have a native resolution on 1680x1050 ofcourse.

Any input/advice on these monitors? :D
Regards, Excizted.

Excizted · Post by **Excizted** » 09 Sep 2009, 14:19

I think I will be going with the Dell UltraSharp 2009W.

Please tell me, if you think I should not :)

Post by **thales100** » 09 Sep 2009, 14:30

Why not ? Dell makes nice monitors, i would prefer some 22" but its just my 2 cents.

Excizted · Post by **Excizted** » 09 Sep 2009, 14:37

Why not ? Dell makes nice monitors, i would prefer some 22" but its just my 2 cents.

Well not, if someone else knows something more costeffective or better for triplehead.. And yeah I'd prefer 22" too, but for a Dell 22" in denmark i have to pay 15% more than for the ultrasharp.

john bentley · Post by **john bentley** » 10 Sep 2009, 05:53

Excitzed, if you revisit 2009-01. The best 22" widescreeen all round monitor. you notice that there has been some recent activity.

Frag Maniac, currently known as Fred, observes that around the Dell 2209WA a consensus if forming as *the* monitor to get. It is an e-ISP rather than TN. All I know about these screen types is that e-ISP is generally better than TN. Availability might be a problem.

I dismissed the Dell UltraSharp 2009W because when I looked at it in the shop the text didn't seem to render clear to me.

You acknowledge you'd prefer 22" over 20". I was not so sure before I had my current setup. I and others explored this in Usability of Triple Standard V Triple Wide.

Now that I have my 3 X 22" monitors I am very glad I did not go for 3 X 20". I was worried that 3 X 22" would be too wide, requiring too much head tilting. That is not the case for me, I enjoy using every part of the three screens. Mind you my (alas costly) independent monitor arms allow me to position the monitors at exactly my preferred angle (and height, and depth) and I consider these arms an important part of the solution.

Excizted · Post by **Excizted** » 10 Sep 2009, 08:31

Excitzed, if you revisit 2009-01. The best 22" widescreeen all round monitor. you notice that there has been some recent activity.

Frag Maniac, currently known as Fred, observes that around the Dell 2209WA a consensus if forming as *the* monitor to get. It is an e-ISP rather than TN. All I know about these screen types is that e-ISP is generally better than TN. Availability might be a problem.

I dismissed the Dell UltraSharp 2009W because when I looked at it in the shop the text didn't seem to render clear to me.

You acknowledge you'd prefer 22" over 20". I was not so sure before I had my current setup. I and others explored this in Usability of Triple Standard V Triple Wide.

Now that I have my 3 X 22" monitors I am very glad I did not go for 3 X 20". I was worried that 3 X 22" would be too wide, requiring too much head tilting. That is not the case for me, I enjoy using every part of the three screens. Mind you my (alas costly) independent monitor arms allow me to position the monitors at exactly my preferred angle (and height, and depth) and I consider these arms an important part of the solution.

Hi thank you for getting back to me :)

Yeah I did notice the UltraSharp 2209W but the price... is almost scaring here in Denmark, buying just three of those would be more costy than buying four UltraSharp 2009W AND a triplehead2Go box.
All those great cheap sites of America with low tax'n all, Amazon and so on, won't ship hardware into Denmark as theres like ALOT of taxes here.

My only opportunity to buy a Dell 22" would be either going 16:9 (and using an un-native resolution, yuk!) or buying the Dell G2210 which I actually send an e-mail to Dell support, asking if it supports 1680x1050@57hz, but no reply for a few days.

So seems like I either have to buy the G2210 (if i ever find out if they support 57hz), the UltraSharp 20" or some weird brand I've never used before 22".

StingingVelvet · Post by **StingingVelvet** » 10 Sep 2009, 08:52

Why not ? Dell makes nice monitors, i would prefer some 22" but its just my 2 cents.

I recently got a Dell 2409 and it freaking awesome. Best Monitor I have ever owned.

Excizted · Post by **Excizted** » 10 Sep 2009, 08:56

[quote]Why not ? Dell makes nice monitors, i would prefer some 22" but its just my 2 cents.

I recently got a Dell 2409 and it freaking awesome. Best Monitor I have ever owned.

Dell 2409 would surely be nice for a 1 monitor solution, but throwing all my money at 24" when 22" native is the highest support, I personally think is waste. :)

StingingVelvet · Post by **StingingVelvet** » 10 Sep 2009, 10:35

[quote][quote]Why not ? Dell makes nice monitors, i would prefer some 22" but its just my 2 cents.

I recently got a Dell 2409 and it freaking awesome. Best Monitor I have ever owned.

Dell 2409 would surely be nice for a 1 monitor solution, but throwing all my money at 24" when 22" native is the highest support, I personally think is waste. :)

Well, I more meant the brand. A Dell 22" would be just as impressive I would think.

Excizted · Post by **Excizted** » 10 Sep 2009, 11:27

[quote][quote][quote]Why not ? Dell makes nice monitors, i would prefer some 22" but its just my 2 cents.

I recently got a Dell 2409 and it freaking awesome. Best Monitor I have ever owned.

Dell 2409 would surely be nice for a 1 monitor solution, but throwing all my money at 24" when 22" native is the highest support, I personally think is waste. :)

Well, I more meant the brand. A Dell 22" would be just as impressive I would think.

Yeah Dell is the best ftw :)
Just too bad there's only one 22" Dell available in Denmark, the G2210 that I just don't know if support the 1680x1050@57hz. And it's rather expensive for a 22" 16:10 monitor, so buying it and not being able to use it would be so silly.

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