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As long as the game's not out, there's still a tiny chance that "Alice 2" might not be a total failure, right ? ;) Mister McGee probably wants to capitalize on the older title's fame, that is, not tarnish it. Here's hoping he's got a real project in mind and will have the appropriate means (inspiration, money & a skilled team)...

The new Star Wars movies are exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. The damage they've done to the franchise is irreversible. Pretending they don't exist is a short-sighted solution that stops working if you, say, try to hold a conversation with another human being who doesn't also pretend they don't exist. Furthermore, there aren't any decent prints of the originals any more, and we have the existence of the newer versions to thank for that. Likewise, if a crappy Alice sequel gains sufficient infamy, you can rest assured GoG.com won't bother snatching up the original for digital distribution or anything like that.

I'm not really a Star Wars person, so I'll use two other examples, Star Trek and Highlander.

Highlander was a great movie with who knows how many crappy sequels and spin-offs... I ignore them and appreciate the great movie that Highlander is. The crap that came after does not make Highlander a worse movie, experience or whatever else.

Star Trek is known for having really up and down seasons with amazing sci-fi episodes followed by crappy schlock the week after. I still bought the season sets and love the shows.

It just makes little sense to me to say "no, stop, don't make that!" It will either be good or it won't, and neither outcome makes Alice a better or worse game.

It doesn't matter whether you're a Star Wars fan or not. What happened to Star Wars could also happen to a franchise you are a fan of.

The question isn't whether the game will be good or bad. McGee's track record should answer this question. The question is whether or not the original will be affected by the sequel in any of the ways that Star Wars was affected by the new movies, and if it does, ignoring it will hardly be a good solution, much like ignoring the new Star Wars movies doesn't work so well.

It doesn't matter whether you're a Star Wars fan or not. What happened to Star Wars could also happen to a franchise you are a fan of.

But what happened to Star Wars? Are you arguing it decreased in popularity? Because I would certainly argue otherwise.

This is what happened to Star Wars. It's worse than "decreased in popularity.":

The damage they've done to the franchise is irreversible. Pretending they don't exist is a short-sighted solution that stops working if you, say, try to hold a conversation with another human being who doesn't also pretend they don't exist. Furthermore, there aren't any decent prints of the originals any more, and we have the existence of the newer versions to thank for that.

Also, the new movies have only increased the popularity of the new movies. They've done absolutely nothing to increase the popularity of the old movies.

People take movies, and lots of other things, much too seriously.

About as deep as I go with any movie is answering the question 'was I entertained?', if yes it's a good movie, if no, it's just not my kind of movie.

And in the yes part so far:
all star trek movies
all star wars movies, including all variants, new or old

Heck, even things like Street Fighter are on that list.

Point is, stop making mountains out of a sand grains and live, you'll be much happier to do so.

This is what happened to Star Wars. It's worse than "decreased in popularity.":

The damage they've done to the franchise is irreversible. Pretending they don't exist is a short-sighted solution that stops working if you, say, try to hold a conversation with another human being who doesn't also pretend they don't exist. Furthermore, there aren't any decent prints of the originals any more, and we have the existence of the newer versions to thank for that.

Also, the new movies have only increased the popularity of the new movies. They've done absolutely nothing to increase the popularity of the old movies.

I fully disagree, I'm a youngster, Episode 1 came out when I was 9, I seen it in theaters and loved it. Honestly to this day if it was not for the newer 3 episodes and the continuing of the franchise I would have not seen the original trilogy.

Arguing about any art form be it movies, games, music, hell even traditional painted art is bloody stupid. People like what they like.

Now I have not even heard of American McGee till this news came out, I will give it a shot (as everyone should) If I dislike it, and others encourage me to try out the original if they claim its much better then I will.

Point is, stop making mountains out of a sand grains and live, you'll be much happier to do so.

I'd be happier if I could watch Star Wars with good quality on a widescreen monitor, and talk about it with friends without having any pesky prequel trilogy nonsense getting in the way. I'd be happier if more gamers could play and appreciate classics like the original Alice, without the risk of its memory being tarnished by a crap sequel.

Ignoring all the details that go deeper than "was I entertained?" will not help accomplish this - "making mountains out of sand" does. Want an example? BioShock's vert -. Rather than being satisfied with the gameplay and graphics, we raised a big stink over a technicality. Kotaku trolls berated us, going "oh just enjoy the game," and "don't make mountains out of molehills," but ultimately 2K fixed it.

And the non-anamorphic Star Wars DVDs? If it weren't for widespread complaining about the CGI-infested special editions, we wouldn't even have those.

Arguing about any art form be it movies, games, music, hell even traditional painted art is bloody stupid. People like what they like.

There's really no argument about the quality of American McGee's games. Aside from the first Alice, which he likely didn't have all that much to do with, NOBODY likes his games.

Now I have not even heard of American McGee till this news came out, I will give it a shot (as everyone should) If I dislike it, and others encourage me to try out the original if they claim its much better then I will.

In other words, you're going to actively seek out and try a game you know nothing about other than that it's a sequel and that I said it will be bad? And on top of that, you encourage EVERYONE to seek out this game based on that? That's either really illogical or really insulting, depending on what you were thinking that led you to this conclusion.

Erm, "give it a shot" is the least you can do before you make your own opinion, right ? There's nothing illogical or insulting in doing so.

And let's leave Star Wars and generally movies and "art" aside... Video games as a genre are a beast of its own. Not to mention American McGee's Alice was based on Lewis Caroll's book ;)

Now I have not even heard of American McGee till this news came out, I will give it a shot (as everyone should) If I dislike it, and others encourage me to try out the original if they claim its much better then I will.

In other words, you're going to actively seek out and try a game you know nothing about other than that it's a sequel and that I said it will be bad? And on top of that, you encourage EVERYONE to seek out this game based on that? That's either really illogical or really insulting, depending on what you were thinking that led you to this conclusion.

I'm just saying, everyone seems to adore the original game, so I really should give the remake a try once it comes out. Everyone should give everything a try. You cannot know if you like sometime till you try it.