Widescreen Gaming Forum

The release notes (PDF) make for grim reading. Check out the end of page 5/start of page 6. Points 2,3 and 5 won't exactly fill people who are on the fence about eyefinity with confidence :shock: . Point 7 is just scary :hide but hopefully will be sorted by a combination of driver tweaks and a new BIOS.

Really looking forward to Bezel Management whenever it shows up.

# 10.1 is just a standard release to fix up some bugs, but 10.2 and 10.3 will indeed have some major new features

http://twitter.com/catalystmaker

What do you mean by profile support? As in different monitor configurations? I have a couple of profiles, one is EF, the other just regular 3x extended. I can switch them fine with hot-keys, although I usually have to push them more than once. I'm on 9.12 btw.

Yep thats what he means, i cant believe its still not fixed nearly 4 months later. takes me about 20 goes and sometimes a reboot to get back into eyefinity. Still no sign of bezel management either. Grey Screen of death getting on my nerves, never had a card that crashed so much, just about ready to RMA it.

Read a lot of bad stuff about ATI drivers in the past, thought it was just Nvidia Fanboy carp, but now i'm starting to believe.

Yep thats what he means, i cant believe its still not fixed nearly 4 months later. takes me about 20 goes and sometimes a reboot to get back into eyefinity. Still no sign of bezel management either. Grey Screen of death getting on my nerves, never had a card that crashed so much, just about ready to RMA it

Are you overclocking?

[quote]Yep thats what he means, i cant believe its still not fixed nearly 4 months later. takes me about 20 goes and sometimes a reboot to get back into eyefinity. Still no sign of bezel management either. Grey Screen of death getting on my nerves, never had a card that crashed so much, just about ready to RMA it

Are you overclocking?

Dave seriously what is going on why are the shortcuts still not fixed? When can I expect them to work? When can we expect to start seeing some form of bezel mgmt?

Seriously guys you should not have gotten your hopes up for 10.1. Everyone who read through those threads should have known that the list of fixes, and new features were being worked on, and implemented over "the coming months"(Catalyst 10.1, .2, .3, .4). 10.1 being the earliest of those I would automatically think it would be the most about bug fixes and the least about adding new features. Though I am hoping this version will allow my third monitor to work in Ubuntu:). I really don't have too many issues with most of the games I've tried it on.(ME1 & 2 don't work though). I have had some weird issues with corruption while using 10.1 beta 1 with factory bios, and 10.1(with 8.70 packaging version) with updated bios. I've experienced the cursor corruption much more frequently than the whole center screen corruption. The Dirt2 icon corruption was something that popped up only once on 10.1 Beta1 but then wouldn't go away(Which either newest 8.70 package or bios update fixed). While the cursor corruption seemed to occur over 9.12 hotfix, 10.1 beta 1, 10.1(8.70). If you have no idea what I'm talking about look through Ryan's thread over @ pcper
http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=468915&page=3

Be careful what information you base your expectations on! I'd say the best places to get your information on upcoming driver updates are:
http://twitter.com/catalystmaker
and
http://blogs.amd.com/play/category/bloggers/jay-marsden/

I think I remember Kyle of the [H] saying sometime last year to not expect bezel management until the march 2010 timeframe, but things could have easily have changed since then. :)

Awe lame :(

Bezel management and fixed shortcuts are the only two things I'm really aching for. Though I'd take bezel management over anything else at the mo', since FPS games look like ass without it.

But i knew about ATI's and their (sometimes) driver release dog-fuckery when i bought the card, so I guess I'll have to be patient.

Ive noticed overclocking and eyefinity really dont mix well.

Though 4% in crysis is 4% in mechwarriors, so Im happy about that.

Bzl mgmt wouldve been nice too.

I noticed that the middle EF resolution now has the correct aspect ratio (3150x1680). Great job! Can we get 2700x1440 in there as well?

I was hoping Dave b or someone could verify I have the 10.1 drivers. I think I do. because I do see driver package 8.69.

But ever sense I used driver sweeper before installing the 9.12 hot fix . My Catalyst version always show as 9.10 now . The first driver I ever Installed on this machine.

is there some reason why even though the package driver version changes the catalyst version does not change.

this is with the hot fix .




this is what shows with the 10.1 I installed

Well , It doesn't matter anymore I guess .

After Installing the 10.1 drivers My dirt 2 benchmarks went from 70 FPS to 30-35 FPS. After trying several things without any Improvement. I Just went back to the 9.12 hotfix and got my 70 FPS back.

Absolutely ridiculous. I was pretty stoked about this upcoming driver thinking it was going to be the big Improvement and instead it was total fail.

There are huge complaint threads about these drivers on forums. The old issues like grey screens, VPU recovers, powerplay problems, 2D problems, link failures, corrupt cursors, white lines, loss of signal for DP, refresh rate options, eyefinity resolution options are all still here 3 months after the cards release.

Personally I suffer from 4 of those issues which I could probably fix by updating to a newer release BIOS and changing the 2D clocks and voltages with Radeon BIOS Editor (RBE). I am not happy to do that until RBE support for the 5xxx series is more mature or an official ASUS updated BIOS is released with the displayport fix and powerplay fixes while using multiple monitors.

ATI should be working with distributers such as ASUS to release official sanctioned new BIOS revisions. Leaking unofficial BIOS revisions to 3rd party sites like Techpowerup just doesn't cut it and unfairly puts all the risk on to the user. It seems that drivers are not going to fix these problems and an updated BIOS is required so please provide better support.

Focusing any driver development time on improving Crysis performance when so many issues exist is Bizarre its an old game and was little more than a tech demo in the first place. Hardly anyone is playing that game any more it is only used for benchmarks.

Bezel management is also still not released and is looking unlikely to be released in the 10.2 either as betas are already out. It is looking more and more likely that Nvidia will beat you to it.

The name string is wrong on the official 10.1 and both the beta 10.2 releases. All are identified as 9.0 in CCC it is unprofessional and causes confusion for users.

Well now the saved profile shortcuts and hotkeys DO work for me. Now i can switch from EF to extended with ease. Before it would go to triple-clone , then stop. Now it goes straight to EF. Lovely.

And yay for being able to sue a lower EF resolution while preserving AR.

ATI should be working with distributers such as ASUS to release official sanctioned new BIOS revisions.

http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/display-flashing-when-connected-to-displayport.aspx

As per the KB article, please contact ASUS and request a new BIOS if they have not already made one available for download. They are aware of this.

Focusing any driver development time on improving Crysis performance when so many issues exist is Bizarre its an old game and was little more than a tech demo in the first place. Hardly anyone is playing that game any more it is only used for benchmarks.

There are multiple different teams that contribute to a driver who's functions to not cross over - i.e. it would be entirely pointless putting a D3D driver engineer on to a CCC bug!

The name string is wrong on the official 10.1 and both the beta 10.2 releases. All are identified as 9.0 in CCC it is unprofessional and causes confusion for users.

As per the Catalyst Maker Twitter Page Terry has already acknowledge the 9.12/10.1 string issue in he officials and that is being updated. As for leaked beta's, well they are leaked beta's....

Well now the saved profile shortcuts and hotkeys DO work for me. Now i can switch from EF to extended with ease. Before it would go to triple-clone , then stop. Now it goes straight to EF. Lovely.

And yay for being able to sue a lower EF resolution while preserving AR.

Hey my shortcuts are working now too. This is great, it even remembers where my icons should be.

Thank you ATI for fixing this problem been waiting for this for a while now.

Now everything else to wait for is just an extra bonus :)

pretty anticlimactic driver update.. though I did notice l4d2 was a bit smoother in eyefinity mode... and I do play a bit o that. :)

anyone with crossfire + eyefinity out there, how is performance now? any better? any improvements there?

ahh man I was hoping for the bezel management. :doh

got all excited and hard for no reason

The Eyefinity profile & shortcuts works now, for the most part. Going from extended or dual monitor to Eyefinity SLS works fine, but going from single screen to Eyefinity requires clicking the shortcut or hitting the hotkeys twice.

That's still a welcome improvement.

New bug: I can't see a mouse cursor on my DP->VGA monitor anymore, this bug wasn't present in the hotfix version of the previous Catalyst drivers. On the plus side hotkey switching now works after I went in, and told it to save the profile again - without having to unplug and plug the adapter back in.

You guys with working hotkeys and shortcuts are lucky, mine still do not. Maybe a driver reinstall is necessary... hmmmmm

Well , It doesn't matter anymore I guess .

After Installing the 10.1 drivers My dirt 2 benchmarks went from 70 FPS to 30-35 FPS. After trying several things without any Improvement. I Just went back to the 9.12 hotfix and got my 70 FPS back.

Absolutely ridiculous. I was pretty stoked about this upcoming driver thinking it was going to be the big Improvement and instead it was total fail.

I had the same thing!

BUT i found that 10.1 had disabled my second GPU core on the 5970 so wiped all drivers and installed 10.1 agan and it was fixed :D But i was getting alot more than 70fps in Dirt 2 :P

[quote]Well , It doesn't matter anymore I guess .

After Installing the 10.1 drivers My dirt 2 benchmarks went from 70 FPS to 30-35 FPS. After trying several things without any Improvement. I Just went back to the 9.12 hotfix and got my 70 FPS back.

Absolutely ridiculous. I was pretty stoked about this upcoming driver thinking it was going to be the big Improvement and instead it was total fail.

I had the same thing!

BUT i found that 10.1 had disabled my second GPU core on the 5970 so wiped all drivers and installed 10.1 agan and it was fixed :D But i was getting alot more than 70fps in Dirt 2 :P


Can I ask. what FPS you are getting with your 5970.

One of the things I did try was wiping the drivers. but no luck. although I did hear someone say that they went into ccc 3D settings and reset settings to default and it worked for them . I just haven't had the time to mess with it

in eyefinity about 90 fps.
With All on max with AA and AF its 30Fps

I have cursor problem in DP monitor now. First time I noticed this was a little bit ago it just started doing it.

I noticed it while I was in the menu on BFBC2 Beta as well.

If I hover over text the cursor is like a black blob/box.

Right ive tried two reinstall of the 10.1 drivers and in dirt 2 and other games im getting half the perfomance as others have stated it seems to be disableing the 2nd gpu.

Im presently running 2x5870 and only getting 30fps with all settings set to ultra or high exept post processing set to medium and MSAA set to 4x.

On the 9.12 hotfix drivers i was getting over 50fps

Can dave come back to forum members on this issue as it seems to be affecting allot of people inculding peeps i can see on the forums at hardocp as well.

There was an ATI 10.1 Hotfix released shortly after the 10.1. Apparently it fixes some issues with crossfire maybe it is worth a try if you havn't already updated to it.

You can find some discussion related to it here. http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=314311

I havent tried those but for anyone having issues ive just tried the 10.2 beta drivers that are presntly up on guru3d forums

here is the link to the page on the foumrs if anyone is interested: http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=313969

Ive just tested them with Dirt2 and with everything set to high and ultra and high on post process and 2xMSAA on eyefinity im get around 50fps which seems pretty good on 2 5870 in dx 11

There was an ATI 10.1 Hotfix released shortly after the 10.1. Apparently it fixes some issues with crossfire maybe it is worth a try if you havn't already updated to it.

This is basically Cat 10.1 with a Crossfire X and control panel AA profile for Mass Effect 2.

The 10.2 Beta posted above seems to have smoothed things out a bit in BC2 Beta, but still no crossfire logo and a flatline on usage at 0% on the 2nd gpu (looking at msi afterburner).

Basically, since 10.1, my second card is non functional.

I just got a ATIKMDAG blue screen. There are def problems with this 10.1 driver. I was playing BFBC2 and all of a sudden there was like black walls and weird stuff. Then locked up and blue screen all I caught was ATIKMDAG or PAG or something like that. Is there an official hotfix or what. Or should we go back to 9.12......

This and my mouse cursor problem is ridiculous. I have never ever ever had so many problems with video drivers till I got this ATI card. I am not angry I am just saying what should I and we with new problems with this driver do.

I myself just went back to the 9.12 hotfix. Sounds like you would benefit doing the same. I'm just going to wait for the next driver. and will be a little more slow to download the next one until I see other people experience improvements. Until then I will just stick with what works for me.

Well now I just got a Display Port link failure pop up from ATI this the first time I have ever seen this so..... Well I am going to go back to 9.12. It worked besides the shortcuts. But I would rather have no blue screen issues, cursor issues, and DP link failure issues then have working shortcuts. I have no idea why 10.1 was even released.

Boy I am glad I looked here b4 I updated drivers on my 5970! Staying with 9.12

Ithinman what card are running 2x5870 or 5890 as ive just installed msi afterburner and on the 10.2 beta drivers its showing 100% usage on both cards for me on bad company 2?

No issues with the new drivers for me so far. With the 9.12 hot fix, Crysis at 7680x1600 would not run with Catalyst AI enabled and use only one GPU of a 5970. This is now resolved with 10.1 giving me a performance boost of about 40%.

Unfortunately I've found a bug that I've seen in some other forums as well... With my monitor configuration, my monitors will no longer go to sleep automatically. I'm using a DellP2210 via display port, a Sony FW-900 via a DVI->VGA adapter, and a Samsung226CW via DVI. I can put the computer to sleep manually and then the monitor will go off, but the standard automatic monitor blanking doesn't work. This is kind of a big deal for me as my active power draw then the monitors are on is >155W.

I can't let my lcds go into sleep mode either... if I do, they come up with the display group broken and I have to re-create the group, then re-sequence the lcds.. it happened with 9.12hf drivers also.. not a huge deal, but eventually it would be nice if this recovered more gracefully.

No problems here with 10.1 except that on restart the EF group gets broken up in 3 identical ones. I have to recreate the EF group. After that, switching between extended and EF works fine with hotkeys. Not a huge deal since I rarely restart my computer.

http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/display-flashing-when-connected-to-displayport.aspx

As per the KB article, please contact ASUS and request a new BIOS if they have not already made one available for download. They are aware of this.

Asus don't have an update on their website and when I emailed them about the issue including a link to the kbarticle they responded with.

"We do not have BIOS for EAH5850 Series.
Please take out your graphic card, try to clean its golden connectors with a rubber, check if there is any hardware issue, and then reseat it back tightly."

It seems tech support are not aware of the problem.

Since there is no bezel menagment with this version, I have no reason to download new drivers because everything works perfect with 9.12 version for me.
I guess it was too soon to expect them to implement this feature so early after they said they are working on it.
When ever they come out with it, it will be most welcome, as long as they do make it at all.

I upgraded from 9.11 to 10.1, having skipped 9.12. I upgraded for Dragon Age support.

Since then my "desktop" (middle/main) monitor will no longer go to sleep. Its a bummer having to turn off my monitors manually.

Otherwise I've had no other issues. Dragon Age screams at 4800x1200 with physx hardware acceleration.

Hey Dave what are your thoughts on this 10.1 and where can I get 9.12 the driver at least worked for me. Ever since I updated to 10.1 I have been having many issues. One is BFBC2 keeps crashing randomly and before I updated to 10.1 I didn't have any problems at all with BFBC2. Some other problems I have exp with 10.1 are ATIKMDAG blue screen or ATIKMPAG I can't remember, Corrupt Cursor Problem, Distorted DP Monitor, and a few other things I am sure that I am forgetting.

So Dave what driver do you think is the best right now. Because this 10.1 has some serious issues.

9.12 hotfix is still located here http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/ATICatalyst912Hotfix.aspx

9.12 hotfix is still located here http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/ATICatalyst912Hotfix.aspx

Thanks went back to 9.12 these 10.1 are a joke. Good job on testing to ATI CCC testers. One step two step.

[quote]9.12 hotfix is still located here http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/ATICatalyst912Hotfix.aspx

Thanks went back to 9.12 these 10.1 are a joke. Good job on testing to ATI CCC testers. One step two step.

Well, they do have some bugs, but honestly for me they were a big improvement over 9.12. No longer having to unplug and plug my displayport adapter in everytime I switch from extended desktop to eyefinity or back.

2nd card: $400 paperweight

2nd card: $400 paperweight

WHAT????

it's no secret, the drivers are flaky, at best, with crossfire. too many reports which lack consistency to replicate any situation with confidence. can't replicate, can't solve.

i'm not happy, just not as 'vocal' (rude) as 'some' (3 guesses)

i'll speak with my wallet. waiting for one more driver and then putting the second 5870 on ebay. lesson learned.

it's no secret, the drivers are flaky, at best, with crossfire. too many reports which lack consistency to replicate any situation with confidence. can't replicate, can't solve.

i'm not happy, just not as 'vocal' (rude) as 'some' (3 guesses)

i'll speak with my wallet. waiting for one more driver and then putting the second 5870 on ebay. lesson learned.

Yea I went back to 10.1 again then the 10.2 beta because I can't stand the switching profiles problem. But now I have a blob on my DVI Main monitor for a cursor this is ridiculous. I honestly don't understand why they have yet to release a bug free driver. I have never experienced anything like this before. How long does everyone think it will take to get a driver that works how it should. I am going to wait for one more driver as well. If it don't work then I am going to sell my card as well.

Hi m8ys

Dont know if this will be of help to anyone having problems with 5870 or 5890 in xfrie mode:

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=293467

Bowenac when you used the 10.2 driver did you use driver sweeper to wipe drivers completly and do a fresh install if you didnt would recommend it as a clean install of the drivers worked for me on 10.2

Hi m8ys

Dont know if this will be of help to anyone having problems with 5870 or 5890 in xfrie mode:

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=293467

Bowenac when you used the 10.2 driver did you use driver sweeper to wipe drivers completly and do a fresh install if you didnt would recommend it as a clean install of the drivers worked for me on 10.2

Thanks, I'll give it a look. Have you tested this with EyeFinity configurations?




...and just to be clairfy my above comments, when using just one card, I am very happy. I can live with some 'glitches', but maybe becuase I have been relatively lucky. I have no flicker if I disable overdrive nor any of the other problems many have reported. However, that is not what I paid for and watching my frame rates dive or stay flat with a second 'best card ever' installed, is fairly frustrating to say the least.

Hi m8ys

Dont know if this will be of help to anyone having problems with 5870 or 5890 in xfrie mode:

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=293467

Bowenac when you used the 10.2 driver did you use driver sweeper to wipe drivers completly and do a fresh install if you didnt would recommend it as a clean install of the drivers worked for me on 10.2

Yes I did didn't make a difference.

Although it has been said it is not needed I did it anyway. And the funny thing is it was in fact needed because it found a bunch of ATI stuff. So the reference that someone had shown me from a ATI rep or developer for the CCC mentioned it was not needed that CCC takes care of that. This was posted on Twitter somewhere. I find this hilarious because it obviously is needed if Driver Sweeper is picking things up. After I did it I booted back in safe mode and ran it a second time just to check and it was all gone.

So yes I did and this driver still BLOWS. Too many problems but hey I just have to deal with it because I LOVE BEING A BETA TESTER. I have came to believe we will not be seeing a proper driver for a long time. This shows me that they do not do any regression testing at all because while they fix one thing they reproduce another. One step, two step. Meaning one step forward two steps back. Again I will wait for one more driver then I am done. It should not have even taken this long. What these cards came out in Sept and it is now Feb and we still don't have a proper driver.

Any news on the next driver? Will it fix anything or will it simply be the same driver just with an edited version number.

on contraire mon fraire..

Catalyst 10.1 Offers Proper "Intermediate Resolutions"