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Not quite, I think the models differ too. The CE dragon looks like a grown-up version of the dragon spawn "hero", and it's the one with the short thick head actually; the "normal" version looks more like the average dragon so to speak, with a long head. Guess I'll have to reinstall both the CE and demo and take screenies... That last picture of yours was a definite incentive :)

Not quite, I think the models differ too. The CE dragon looks like a grown-up version of the dragon spawn "hero", and it's the one with the short thick head actually; the "normal" version looks more like the average dragon so to speak, with a long head. Guess I'll have to reinstall both the CE and demo and take screenies... That last picture of yours was a definite incentive :)

Screenshots would help. Here's some other data I would need:

What is the unit named?
Which data files in the game directory contain references to the unit? (I don't have the CE)
Which unit does it replace?
Which faction(s) have access to the unit?
Is it utilized in-game just like the other dragon?

You don't have to put time into this now. I probably won't have time to work on this until the camera mods are done, but I'd be happy to help.

RotWK runs $9.99 at Fry's. Other shops should have it at the same price point, and Amazon has the Anthology for <$20. PC gaming has the best bargain bin in the biz. :)

Remember that I will be doing widescreen and surround mods for both BFME2 and RotWK, so you don't have to pick up the expansion. I would, though.

Yeah, I'm pretty happy with that latest surround screenshot. Even playing it in FauxTH2Go on my little 1440x900, the feeling of perspective it creates is impressive. Spinning the camera around battles is awesome.

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Remember that I will be doing widescreen and surround mods for both BFME2 and RotWK...

Yay! Now I'm happy in the pants.





But totally in a platonic way, really. :shock:

I just wanted to say That I've never even heard of this game but now I cant wait to check it out.

Yay! Now I'm happy in the pants.

Positive response accepted. Beyond that...no comment :wink: :P

I just wanted to say That I've never even heard of this game but now I cant wait to check it out.

Never? :shock: Well, if you like RTS games or LotR even a little, check it out. Demo.

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Test releases should be available today for BFME2 and RotWK widescreen mods. Currently I'm writing up a brief readme, then it's just a matter of zipping and uploading.

Check the first post later for download links.

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In the words of Steve Martin... RELEASE!

Happy Friday :).

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I'm going to make a Wiki page for this, and link to the downloads. Can you give me some comparison screenshots?

Doh! 404 on the links.

Doh! 404 on the links.

That's weird. The filenames got truncated for some reason. :? Links should be fixed now.

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I'm going to make a Wiki page for this, and link to the downloads. Can you give me some comparison screenshots?

For now you can pull these 2 shots from my other posts:

Camera at height of 300 (default)


Camera modded to height of 600:


Those shots are fairly plain but they work. I might cook up some more exciting screens when I have time to actually play the game. :wink:

I also intend to produce a short demo video that will highlight the dramatic FOV difference the mod provides. It will probably be a few days before I can do that--this weekend is shaping up to be crazy busy in 'real life'. :)

Eventually I'll need to write up a full-fledged readme file, as well.

As always, please provide feedback!

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Looking forward to the video. Hopefully you will let us include it in our collection. I've yet to play the games, and this will be my push - especially in Surround.

Sorry to piecemeal this, but can you post a little write-up I can copy as well, or I can create the Wiki page and let you edit it.

Looking forward to the video. Hopefully you will let us include it in our collection.

That's my plan. :) I might even send it by your "desk" prior to posting just to get your feedback.

I can work on a write-up while producing the video since they will be most effective presented together. If you set up a Wiki page I'm fine editing it myself.

The Surround version of the mod will be forthcoming, though it will take a bit longer since more tweaks are required.

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Tested one two-player map in both the original and the expansion last night. Worked flawlessly. One caveat, though: The performance hit when building units is exponential the further out you zoom. 10 squads at max zoom (600) had me hovering at around 20fps on an 8800GT. This can't be helped, but I thought I would just mention it.

Thanks for all your hard work, GeneralAdmission.

I think I'm going to go into the game assets and try to find the static images for the hud elements so I can adjust them. They aren't much of a problem on 16:10 or 16:9, but I don't see this as playable on TH2G due to the stretching.

Created this Wiki page - http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/wiki/index.php/Battle_For_Middle_Earth_2_Camera_Fix

If we get new HUD elements, I will add them as well.

Yeah, about that...I realized after about 5 minutes that changing the appearance of the elements wasn't going to be the problem. The real problem is how am I going to reprogram the interface so they work correctly, since everything that is important to gameplay is interactive.

Any suggestions?

Thanks for the report, Mergatroid. Glad it's working correctly, and you're welcome. :D

Yes, there is certainly a performance hit--that's one of the things I'll be sure to note when I flesh out the wiki page/readme. Moderate framerate drops in RTS games don't bother me too much. I once played a game of Zero Hour against 7 AI opponents that had my rig chugging along at 5fps at certain points and the game latest 8+ hours! That said, I know it will be an issue for some more than others, so I plan to provide warnings and tips on the wiki.

I've thought about modifying the HUD elements as well. I agree that 16:10 and 16:9 don't warrant a fix because the stretch is not horrible. Triplehead does spit out one fat HUD, though :shock: :lol:. Since most of the Palantir interface would be on the left screen I don't think it's that bad. If you learn the keyboard shortcuts you could probably just turn off the HUD with F9 much of the time--the minimap is actually not as valuable in TH2Go since the modded FOV gives you 5-6 zipcodes onscreen at once! :D

The graphical HUD elements shouldn't be too difficult to change, but as for getting things to match the coded on-screen interactivity, I currently have no idea how that works. I would probably start by doing a number of searches through the ini files for keywords like screen, hud, palantir, menu, etc., to see if the data is even available in the config files. Maybe looking online for a sage engine mod that features a modified HUD could help. If one exists, the changes could be found by digging through their data files. I might look into this more after completing the Triplehead tweaks, but if you want to run with it, I won't stop you. :wink:

Thanks for setting up that wiki page, Ibrin. I hope you don't mind, but I planned on naming the mods "Widescreen Enhanced" and "Triplehead Enhanced", respectively. Simple names that get to the point, while also self-advertising as a 'superior gaming experience' that will hopefully attract more attention than just calling it a fix. :wink: :) What do you think?

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I think I found the files that need to be edited to change the interface. I'll let you know what I come up with on Monday.

I think I found the files that need to be edited to change the interface. I'll let you know what I come up with on Monday.

Very cool.

Do you need a sample map with my TH2Go camera tweaks for testing purposes?

FYI-I'm guesstimating 1-2 weeks to complete the map changes, so you don't need to rush your work. I also need to work on the wiki page and demo video, so it may take longer.

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I have no problems on the names. It's all your work. I think "Enhanced" or "Enhancement" is a great title. I believe you have a Wiki account. Now that the page is up, feel free to edit as you like. We can change the title as well. If possible, let's make the Wiki page 100% to go along with the TripleHead fixes.

Made an interesting discovery while modding. The SAGE engine ties the game speed directly to the framerate. The engine caps the framerate at 30fps, which is 'normal' speed. Take a look at what happens with the FPS uncapped:

http://generaladmission.home.comcast.net/files/RotWK_fastFPS.avi (Go, builder, go! :) )

Unfortunately I don't think there is any performance gain to be had by unlocking the framerate. I tested a complex battle scene and found that performance was the same capped or uncapped if the graphics demands forced fps below 30. And at higher FPS the game speed ramps up dramatically and unpredictably:

http://generaladmission.home.comcast.net/files/RotWK_PoorTroll.avi

I am very curious as to why they would tie game speed to the framerate. Surely the game speed could be independent of FPS, and it might yield decent performance gains during moderately complex scenes. Any designers in this forum with insight on this?

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Made an interesting discovery while modding. The SAGE engine ties the game speed directly to the framerate. The engine caps the framerate at 30fps, which is 'normal' speed. Take a look at what happens with the FPS uncapped:

http://generaladmission.home.comcast.net/files/RotWK_fastFPS.avi (Go, builder, go! :) )

Unfortunately I don't think there is any performance gain to be had by unlocking the framerate. I tested a complex battle scene and found that performance was the same capped or uncapped if the graphics demands forced fps below 30. And at higher FPS the game speed ramps up dramatically and unpredictably:

http://generaladmission.home.comcast.net/files/RotWK_PoorTroll.avi

I am very curious as to why they would tie game speed to the framerate. Surely the game speed could be independent of FPS, and it might yield decent performance gains during moderately complex scenes. Any designers in this forum with insight on this?

They probably figured that a drop in framerate meant that there was more on screen, and therefore more for the player to control, so they drop the speed to compensate for the increase in micromanagement.

Also, the settings I found didn't change anything about the interface. I found a forum that is mainly dedicated to C&C games which use the sage engine and posted the question to them in their BFME2 forum. I'm not holding my breath, though. The last post in that subforum before mine was in April.

I am very curious as to why they would tie game speed to the framerate.

I have absolutely no knowledge in game programming BUT maybe it's to ensure max smoothness of the models' animations during the most epic-scaled battles. Maybe all animations in BFME2 were designed at 30 fps to begin with, and tied to the framerate so that when the game slows down, the game doesn't get choppy and always feels smooth and "cinematic". Unfortunately this also means that anything higher than 30 fps will make it all go "Benny Hill fast"...

I sure didn't remember the framerate was capped, hopefully it won't be too much of an eyesore when scrolling the map left and right at 3840x1024 :?

Interesting ideas. You guys are thinking outside my 'box'. I know there must be one or more particular reasons for designing a game this way, but my lack of knowledge re:game design has me in the dark.

I've played Sage engine games since the first CnC: Generals. As best as I can tell, the games only lose FPS when the hardware demands become too great. I wouldn't worry too much about scrolling in TH resolutions, scavvenjahh. Your GTX card should do very well and you should only get slowdowns during major screen activity, or if there are so many units in play that the CPU becomes the bottleneck.

"Benny Hill fast" :lol:. Did you check out my fastFPS clip?

Mergatroid-
Thanks for investigating the HUD issue. If nothing pans out it's not a huge deal. The camera tweaks I've done for surround users actually make the game worth playing, with a fantastic horizontal FOV in particular. Without the tweaks, the game would apply such a cut to the Vert res that it would be like the camera is only 30' above the ground. Which reminds me, I need to get a screenshot of that so I have it for the before/after comparison.

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Here are the before/after shots for Triplehead resolution.

Regular (obviously unplayable for an RTS)


Modded camera


Better, no?

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WAAAAAAAAAAAY worse! The developer did not want it to be like this!

THINK OF THE DEVELOPERS VISION!

:lol:

THINK OF THE DEVELOPERS VISION!

Myopia FTW! :lol:

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Everybody knows that the developers vision isn't what the consumer actually wants anyway. They just learn to like what they are given.

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They just learn to like what they are given.

9 words that could be traced to the root of innumerable social, cultural, economic, political manipulations/atrocities throughout history. Hence, we are called "sheeple".

Well spoken, Mobster.

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Stumbled upon this accidentally. It looks as if my Triplehead camera tweaks will also work for 16:10 resolutions (and possibly 4:3) and allow play at a camera height of 900.

Check out the view distance!


Look at the mininmap...it shows that you can see nearly half of an 8-player map! The camera is still zoomable down to any level.

I would not consider this optimal for a single-screen setup, but for those of you hankering for a 'skycam' (one of you voted Higher! in the poll), this should float your boat. :wink:

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BFME2 is natively Vert-. Could this be used to make it Hor+?

My tweaks for WS and TH increase the camera to a level that gives enormous Hor+ and even Vert+ over the default settings in the game. The engine applies more Vert- the wider you go, but the mod compensates for it. See my TH comparison shots a few posts above.

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I would not consider this optimal for a single-screen setup, but for those of you hankering for a 'skycam' (one of you voted Higher! in the poll), this should float your boat. :wink:

:shock:
Yes please.
I would change my vote if I could (and I'm the one who voted for 500 :P).

Mergatroid-
Thanks for investigating the HUD issue. If nothing pans out it's not a huge deal. The camera tweaks I've done for surround users actually make the game worth playing, with a fantastic horizontal FOV in particular. Without the tweaks, the game would apply such a cut to the Vert res that it would be like the camera is only 30' above the ground. Which reminds me, I need to get a screenshot of that so I have it for the before/after comparison.

I haven't given up quite yet. I'm pretty sure there is a way to do it, I just haven't come across the correct file/files yet. At this point I'm just trying to find it so I can get the hud in the center screen and sized correctly for the TH users.

On a QA note: I played through the "Good" campaign on BFME 2 yesterday. The only map that had a problem was the one for the Blue Mountains mission, where you have to kill the dragon lord. I think it was mission 4. It was still at 300.
It was actually quite infuriating to play after doing everything else at 600 :).

Thanks for testing the campaign maps, Mergatroid. I was most concerned about those because of the scripting and map customization they use. Glad to hear most work fine.

I checked out the Blue Mountain map. The camera is set to 600 like the others, so I will have to go through the map scripts and other settings to find the problem. I'd like to test the map myself, but I haven't played the campaign at all and I can't find any launch parameter or tweak that will allow me to load that map directly in the game. Do you have any suggestions? I don't have the time right now to play through the game to get to a certain point.

The screenshot I took of the Triplehead camera tweak running in 16:10 was from BFME2. I need to try it in RotWK and in more maps to see if it works across the board. Look promising, though.

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The only thing I can think of is that the camera gets confused due to 2 different terrain heights + caves. Try setting it to 900.

The only thing I can think of is that the camera gets confused due to 2 different terrain heights + caves. Try setting it to 900.

I just now figured out how to run this map in the game without having to play the entire campaign. I will have to tweak it into submission, though, since it starts and then automatically defeats me :evil: ;).

I will try changing the camera height, though my guess is that if my first tweak from 300 to 600 didn't make a difference, then it's likely another setting/script somewhere in the map that is the culprit. There are other variables related to ground height, and this map uses a number of cutscene scripts at several points. I guess it's just back to the good old "eliminate the variables" troubleshooting method.;)

FYI--I added a little "Thank You" credit for you on the wiki page for the mod. :)

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[quote]I am very curious as to why they would tie game speed to the framerate.

I have absolutely no knowledge in game programming BUT maybe it's to ensure max smoothness of the models' animations during the most epic-scaled battles. Maybe all animations in BFME2 were designed at 30 fps to begin with, and tied to the framerate so that when the game slows down, the game doesn't get choppy and always feels smooth and "cinematic". Unfortunately this also means that anything higher than 30 fps will make it all go "Benny Hill fast"...

I sure didn't remember the framerate was capped, hopefully it won't be too much of an eyesore when scrolling the map left and right at 3840x1024 :?

Thats actually probably a really good guess there. I don't know the specifics behind these games on the decision, but could see it as a valid reason. If the animations are set for 30fps, it means the animation code simply has to display one frame after another. This results in less CPU time, vs having to calculate out what animation frame should be active each frame. With an RTS, you could have many units on the screen, and calculating where the animations should be for all of them could be a large enough of a hit to slow things down. A steady framerate is usually better then having a high framerate that dips randomly.

FYI--I added a little "Thank You" credit for you on the wiki page for the mod. :)

Thanks :)

I've run through both good and evil campaigns for bfme2 and the campaign + epilogue for rotwk and all of the rest of the maps work.

@Mergatroid

:shock: Wow. You get the "maniac map tester" award. ;) :D I need to embellish that credit I gave you.

Glad to hear all the other maps work correctly. Blue Mountain is proving a pain in the arse! I managed to force access to it via the skirmish menu, but it played wonky and the graphics were messed up so that proved useless--except for the fact that the camera seemed to be at the correct height of 600. So I just knuckled down and started playing through the campaign so I could playtest it correctly. Got there earlier tonight and just like you my camera was stuck at sea level.

Now I need to find the problem. My gut is telling me it's in the scripting, though so far I haven't found it. I'll keep on the hunt while I work on the Triplehead version of the mod.

Many thanks again for your help!

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Just a random thought, but have you tried changing the "DefaultCameraMaxHeight" in gamedata.ini? The map may be forcing it back to the default somehow.

I doubt this will work, but it's worth a shot. I'll try it later tonight or tomorrow if I have time.

Finally got Blue Mountain map fixed.

So after none of the camera settings I adjusted had any effect, I tried deleting the entire section of script for the opening cinematic. No effect.

Leaving the game running, I checked OpenedFilesView and saw that the game was not even accessing the Maps.big file during that map, but it did have several other .big files open. Guess what's inside _patch101.big: Blue Mountain. Changed the camera, reload, it works!

I'll add this to the next release. If you want to test it, here is the new .big file (backup the original first!):

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I tweaked the Argonath shellmap for BFME2 so it doesn't look so ridiculous in Triplehead (due to severe Vert-). Here is a preview:

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Funny to hear water splashing, and not see any

Funny to hear water splashing, and not see any

Yeah, the volume of the water surprised me a little, especially since I had raised the camera 200%. Maybe I'll try to drop the first shot down to river level so that the water and canoes are visible.

Of course, any Tolkien fan would know the Argonath stand over the Anduin River. ;)

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Changed the first camera shot. Now the shellmap is more diverse and 'cinematic'. :)

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Finally got Blue Mountain map fixed.

So after none of the camera settings I adjusted had any effect, I tried deleting the entire section of script for the opening cinematic. No effect.

Leaving the game running, I checked OpenedFilesView and saw that the game was not even accessing the Maps.big file during that map, but it did have several other .big files open. Guess what's inside _patch101.big: Blue Mountain. Changed the camera, reload, it works!

I'll add this to the next release. If you want to test it, here is the new .big file (backup the original first!):

Tested and confirmed working.

Did you change the other maps in the patch files (if there are any)?

I found no other maps in the patch files, so I think I got them all, now.

Curiously, the patch.doc file in the game folder mentions nothing about Blue Mountain at all, not even under the 1.01 section. :? Oh well, it's fixed now and that's what matters.

Thanks for testing it on your system. Most appreciated, is your assistance. :)

BTW, whenever my daughter catches a glimpse of my screen and your avatar is visible, she yells out excitedly, "Puppet"! I hope you are ready for those heart-melting moments. :D

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GLEEEEEEEE!!!!!! :D

Have you posted new versions of the map packs?

Have you posted new versions of the map packs?

Not yet. I need to add the fixed file for the Blue Mountain map and then re-upload. I was planning to do a little more map testing myself first to minimize the number of times I need to upload and "release" a new version.

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No problem. Just checking.

Nice work on the shellmap, I knew you could do it ;)

The only drawback of playing with cam height at 600 is that you lose most sound effects... The engine is being a bit too clever at applying "distance fading" to sound sources. You have to zoom in quite a few to really live the battles. The most distant cam angle is like a tactical map, but you can't really play the game using only this bird's eye view, partly because micro-management is harder, but mostly due to the missing sounds imo.

But that just a thought, it sure is darn great to have this freedom of zoom, both in (crazy close-ups!) and out.

I'd love to see what the game looks like on one of those crazy 6-panel double TH2G setups :)

I noticed the sound fading issue as well, especially at 900. I'm fairly certain that can be fixed through tweaks to .ini files. I'll investigate.

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Sound has been fixed and will be included with the mod's next release.

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Shadow draw distance has been fixed.

Before:


After:

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I changed the DL links on the Wiki page to link back into your directory on WSGF Media. That way you can keep updates and point releases (like the sound update) visible on the Wiki. I can move the end product on the main WSGF domain when it's all finalized.

Mod is still coming along (check first post for current status).

Thanks for the continued support, Ibrin. Sadly I've yet to add much to the wiki page, but it will happen (too many irons in the fire atm). My basic roadmap is 1) finish the mods 2) update the wiki 3) finish and publish the demo video. At that point I think we can properly launch the mod. I also plan to post an announcement on a couple of the larger BFME forums once the work is complete.

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Congrats for fixing the sounds and shadows ! Looks like nothing in this game can resist The General. :bowdown
I have a feeling my 'CE dragon problem' will be like a walk in the park too :mrgreen: but... we'll see that later...

Map updates for TH2Go are finally complete. *sigh*

Changes to fog, audio, and shadow settings are next and should go quickly. Then comes recompiling all the files, a complete readme/wiki update, final installer design, demo video, etc. Can't predict a release date yet, but I'll say relatively soon. Or, in Blizzard vernacular, "When it's done." :mrgreen:

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Newbie here! Great work on this mod, having had to suffer with EA's stupidity just to be able to play this I'm glad you guys have taken the time to do something for the gamers that EA wouldn't! :D Anywho you said that this patch was still very much alive and open to suggestions so here goes (apologies if they've already been brought up!):

Single Player Blue Mountains map - no new FOV/Camera integration yet.
Skirmish maps that were only available to Collectors Edition owners such as Argonath, Weathertop etc... - same problem.

Any ideas on when the next version of the patch is due btw?

Greetings, CB143!

Glad to hear you like my work. Yes, the mod is back at the top of my list as of today...I got sidetracked for a week or so working on my game recording guide.

Blue Mountains map has been fixed and will be included in the next release.

I have Argonath and Weathertop fixed in the expansion...didn't realize those were available in the original since I don't have the CE. That presents a couple of questions:

-If those maps were included with the mod, would they actually function for non-CE BFME2 players? I'm guessing if they don't work then those 2 maps simply won't be recognized by the game, but then again I don't want it to cause bugs.
-Which .big files in the game directory contain those 2 maps? They are probably not in the maps.big file.

I'm sure there is some way I can integrate fixes for these CE maps into the mod--just need to figure out how.

Now that things are back on track, I'm planning to have the next version out within a couple weeks, but I can't pin down a certain date (too much real life chaos at the moment). I will add progress notes to the first post as things progress.

also... :welcome

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Thanks, glad to be here!

With regards to those questions, considering EA's track record with "Collector's Edition" versions of their releases, they don't appear to radically alter a great deal, more they simply stick something onto the end after they're done with the vanilla release :P For example I had the CE of Black and White 2 somewhere and the only alteration to that the addition of a small .exe file "tigerunlocker", that made a minor alteration to a registry entry to unlock the new creature.

Therefore I think it would be safe to assume that adding the two maps from the expansion for use in the non-CE of the original shouldn't cause any problems, they're practically the same game but for the minor alterations in the game mechanics. (If attempting this were to cause a bug, then most of this community seem to be aware and understanding enough that they shouldn't bombard you with angry messages, and simply revert back to the appropriate data files which they should've backed up 8) ) So it wouldn't hurt to give it a go surely?

Failing that, there's the issue as to where these extra maps are amongst the files. You're obviously right in saying that they aren't in maps.big, otherwise I wouldn't still have these maps having replaced my original file with the widescreen fix version.

I'm assuming its definitely another .big file right? Perhaps a comparison between editions is in order. If you don't have a CE copy to hand or don't know anybody else with the CE I'd be happy to help as much as I can, even if its as only as much as listing all the .big files in my directory here and trying to pinpoint the difference.

Anyway, good luck! I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with, what's more, people lacking a copy of the expansion will have some new maps to play with if you succeed!

You're right General, the CE maps are in a separate data2.big file.

I'd be happy to help as much as I can, even if its as only as much as listing all the .big files in my directory here and trying to pinpoint the difference.

Thanks for the offer. I think I have the files I need.

What I will probably do is mod those CE maps and post just that file so you can test it for me. Also, a few pages back in the thread should be a link for the modded Blue Mountain map that you can try. Of course everything will be packaged together in the final release.

scav...you da man! :wink:

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Sorry to go off-topic a sec, I noticed a couple of pages back you were discussing the framerate and any possible bottlenecks. I play at 1680x1050 (Ultra High Q) and hit a bit of a wall FPS-wise on the Erebor mission of the single player campaign.

General, you mentioned that at some point beyond the graphics card capability the CPU becomes a bottleneck, and this brings about my observation. My 8800GTX OC2 and 4GB DDR2-1066 are ample enough to enjoy a good framerate but I've encountered a strange bug with my Q6600 CPU. I don't know if anybody else has encountered this problem (or hopefully found a workaround) but the game gives a Direct3D (E_OUTOFMEMORY) crash unless I set the CPU affinity of the game.dat/lotrbfme2.exe processes to just 1 out of 4 cores, and hence, a bottleneck is created :x

Any ideas what the hell is going on or was this game simply not optimised to utilise multiple cores, its a shame to see all that processing power go to waste! :cry:

I'm using Vista HP 64 btw.

Not sure what is causing your CPU problems, but I'm also short on experience on a few points. I use an AMD CPU on windows XP 32bit, so I can't speak with much authority on Intel, Vista, or the 64bit variables. It's possible the game has an issue with multiple cores, but it runs fine with my X2 so I've never gone looking for data. Based on the age of the game, and the fact that it is the same SAGE engine that started with CNC:Generals, I'd say it has minimal to no optimization for dual-core cpus.

The game engine itself ties game speed directly to fps, and is designed to work at exactly 30fps, until the rendering demands stress your hardware to the point of dropping fps below 30.

Have you tried running the game on multiple cores with the graphics options turned down? Try Medium settings. Have you tried different combinations of cores? Also, what video card do you have?

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Thanks for replying seeing as this has nothing to do with widescreen mods! :roll:

Its strange, I doubt the XP/Vista factor has anything to do with it, though its difficult for me to tell seeing as I pretty much upgraded my hardware and OS all at the same time. I've got the BFG Geforce 8800GTX OC2 running on the latest applicable Forceware, v175.19.

The 64bit OS is still able to run 32 bit processes and game.dat is executed as such, so its not that.

Maybe the SAGE engine's rendering technique isn't simulataneous threads of each core to execute properly, effectively causing the processor to trip over itself as it allocates different tasks to each core, thus causing the memory leak that eventually leads to the E_OUTOFMEMORY error in game.dat. I'll attempt to try lower graphics quality settings though that sort of eliminates the whole point of this endeavour lol. I might experiment with two cores and thus attempt to imitate an AMD X2 processor as closely as possible, but it might just be the backwards predicament of having a PC that's just too advanced for its own good (when it comes to playing this game anyway!)

Oh well, if anybody else has any suggestions or perhaps a little more concrete reasoning for this error than mine, then I'm all ears, but I won't keep you from the great work you're doing on the widescreen mod, so thanks anyway!

CB143,

Your postulations are entirely logical, and I really don't have any other suggestions. We do have a Tech Support section in our forum, if you open a ticket there you will probably get more feedback. Folks just check this thread for my mod.

Speaking of which, I forgot to upload the fixed CE maps for you to test, but here it is: Files available from https://community.pcgamingwiki.com/files (search there)

First be sure that you BACK UP the data2.big file in the game directory, then replace it with the one in the archive. The CE maps should now have the modified camera in-game.

scavvenjahh, here are the CE maps with Triplehead modifications: Files available from https://community.pcgamingwiki.com/files (search there)

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So, you posted the widescreen fix but I see no mention of the current WIP triplehead fix, so even though it's not finished we can't download the WIP one, or are they both in the same ZIP?

...set the CPU affinity of the game.dat/lotrbfme2.exe processes to just 1 out of 4 cores...simply not optimised to utilise multiple cores...Vista HP 64.

And there you have it.

1 and 2 definitely, I'm sure 3 doesn't help.

I know that this thread is to do with something else (ie: widescreen mod) but that Out of Memory error... how fast does it manifest? Because I was playing BfME2 for a few hours the other day on my Q6600/4GB/8800GT, and it was fine. No problems at all. This is, however, with XP32.

So, you posted the widescreen fix but I see no mention of the current WIP triplehead fix, so even though it's not finished we can't download the WIP one, or are they both in the same ZIP?

The Widescreen mod has already had a first version/release. The Triplehead mod is approaching completion (first release), so there is no WIP available. The two mods will be separate, and in total there will be 4 releases as shown in the first post of the thread:

BFME2- Widescreen
BFME2- Triplehead
RotWK- Widescreen
RotWK- Triplehead

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Apologies for the delay in testing those CE maps General, was away for a few days. I'm happy to report however that the maps appear to have taken to the modifications made with no noticeable glitches :D Just to clarify however, was it just Argonath and Weathertop or were there others?

I also tested my CPU glitch. The game appears to run fine with a maximum of two processor cores enabled. I'll need more time to stress-test this, but in response to Paradigm Shifter's question, the OUTOFMEMORY bug normally appears within 15-30mins of play, though it depends on how much stress is being put on the system. For example, it'll last around an hour if I just sit there and do nothing, but in the basic tutorial map, the second I get to destroying the spider lairs and building the fortress it crashes at this point.

It would certainly seem that the developers did not have multi-core processors on their check list when it came to testing given that it was relatively new technology at the time of this game's release. And the added dimensions with regards to my system of 64 bit processing and Vista probably didn't help things either. Quad core processors tend to handle data a little differently in 64 bit compared to 32, hence as I alluded to in a previous post, maybe the system was doing a little too much than what the game was comfortable with.

Just to reiterate, as General has mentioned his AMD X2 CPU has no problems and my Q6600 at this point utilising any combination of 2 of its 4 cores appears to be stable also, so x4 looks to be out of the question, I'll keep anyone else who's interested posted if I come across anything.

And kudos to General once more for working those CE maps! :)

If I (ever) get my act together, I'll see what BfME2 does on XP64. Certainly seems like it's a 32-bit/64-bit issue, as it doesn't error for me. :?:

For CE owners, the 5 exclusive maps are :
Argonath
Forochel
Tournament Snow
Umbar
Weathertop

Quickly tested'em all @5040x1050, and the cam mod works ok ! (Except the old 'occasional upscreen shadow glitch'...)

Great job :)

Ok thanks, I saw that there was a download for the widescreen and tried to look on all the pages and it mentioned little tweaks here and there from people using it but nothing there was no download links.

I really appreciate the effort gone into these tweaks, i'm absolutely loving my RTS in triplescreen as it adds alot more depth and environment to the game, it's just a shame that big companies don't neccesarily cater for the more 'above average' gamer and make it so hard for us.

The first post has the link to the latest ws cam mod, what are you looking for exactly ? :?

(Except the old 'occasional upscreen shadow glitch'...)
Great job :)

Yeah, that has to be fixed in an .ini file and added to the distribution. Thanks for putting up the CE map list, scav.

i'm absolutely loving my RTS in triplescreen as it adds alot more depth and environment to the game

Glad you like it. You probably noticed this, but the fully expanded camera view only takes effect after the first time you zoom in/out. That activates the script I added and the camera will 'pop' out to max view distance for Triplehead.

It would be nice if more devs would support triplehead resolutions. BFME2's native support is basically good for counting roof shingles. :)

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Font size for Triplehead menus has been fixed:

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As requested, the Collector's Edition maps have been added to the mod release for BFME2. :)

Also, my first tests running the mod using the engine's -mod switch have been successful, so this will make it much easier to package, install, and use.

Lastly, a little tease of the 'modded' main menus:









For you triplehead users, how important is it for you to have a corrected Create-A-Hero menu? Everything in the menu works, but no matter what I try, the 3D window showing the heo model is stuck at a zoom distance where the only thing you can see is their abdomen. I can keep looking for a fix, or, if it's not a big deal, you can always switch to a 16:10 resolution for hero creation, then go back to triplehead for playing. What do you want?

One more thing, I will need some testers for both Widescreen and Triplehead mods in the near future. If you want to participate, post here. Testing notifications/instructions will be sent via PM.

The end is in sight!

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Any screenie of the Create-a-Hero section in TripleHead ? If the menus are a pain in the butt to navigate at such resolutions, no need to fix the 3D character window imho, as switching to a normal res would be better anyway; but since you fixed the font size, well... feel free to look into this issue, too as time permits :)

Is there a way to keep the old (fixed) shellmap with the expansion installed ?

In any event, congrats again for the great job you've been doing on this one. Simply awesome.

Any screenie of the Create-a-Hero section in TripleHead ?

The selection screen (seen above) is the worst part. When creating a hero you can move the camera somewhat, so you can see most of the character model (except Ogres, which have much larger models). I've already put several hours into this problem with no hint of a solution, so I think I'm just going to leave it as-is and advise tripleheaders to switch to 16:10 for hero creation.

Is there a way to keep the old (fixed) shellmap with the expansion installed ?

It's possible, though convoluted (tweaks to a number of additional--and temperamental--game files), I don't think it's well-suited to include with the mods. I might be willing to create a separate solution for this once the camera mods are released.

In any event, congrats again for the great job you've been doing on this one. Simply awesome.

Thanks! I'm anxious to get this finished.

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Your work on this is simply amazing.

Your work on this is simply amazing.

Thanks, Ibrin. :) (Been awhile since I've run into you in this thread.)

This mod has been quite a learning experience for me. It's satisfying and rewarding, but I'm a little anxious to get it complete now. Not sure I can squeeze this out in time to get an entry into the big contest, but I'm definitely going to try. ;)

I can't remember if you have these games or not. If so, do you want to test the triplehead version for me?

Also, my intention has been to promote the mod as "WSGF presented/sponsored", or something like that, in order to give the site some attention. You OK with me sticking a credit like that in the readme/installer graphics/demo video?

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Fixed the horribly-stretched title graphic on the main menu:


Also decided that the super-stretched Witch King background was unacceptable, so how about this?


I can center the game title in the middle monitor if you want, though I think it looks nice on the darker background of Mordor's sky.

I'm getting a little jealous of you TH players who will actually be able to play this on 3 screens. The best I can do is faux-TH @ 1440x384. :(

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All 3 pieces have very different looks and feels, it shocked me at first glance, but all in all it's clearly better than stupidly stretched material :) and yes, the title looks great like that, Mordor is such a killer background... so to speak...

Yeah, the 3 distinct images are a little jolting visually. I thought of blending the edges, but since the image borders will exactly match the monitor bezels, I thought it better to leave them as-is so each screen is distinct. Unless I stumble across some hi-res witch king artwork that would make a killer backdrop for TH, I'll just leave this as-is. Certainly is better than super-stretchy fatty Witch King. :P

That Mordor background is my favorite. The animated Mordor shellmap of BFME1 (which the still came from) looks so nice I love to sit and watch the roiling clouds and Sauron's electrified eye.

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All 4 mods have been released. See first post for links.

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All hail the new TripleHeader !!! :)
Congrats man, that's one heck of a mod and it's nice to see it finally done & nicely awarded !

As I'm struggling with Triplehead monitors, a brand new 30" panel, Ati/nvidia cards to test and my girlfriend's PC's sudden decision to die, I lack the time to play BFME2... but when I do rest assured I'll post screenies of your mod in action in all sizes/formats available to me :)

Congrats again - and many thanks !

Thanks, scav! I'm looking forward to joining the TH bandwagon.

I hope you can get your monitor issues sorted out and get back to the gaming. BTW, you got a credit in the mod's readme. ;) Thanks for all the help.

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Yes sir, this mod works great for me, nothing like playing the Minas Tirith map the way it was meant to be played.

Yes sir, this mod works great for me, nothing like playing the Minas Tirith map the way it was meant to be played.

Or the way it wasn't ;)

Yes sir, this mod works great for me

Thanks for the feedback!

nothing like playing the Minas Tirith map the way it was meant to be played.

That's the exact reason I started the mod in the first place. The super-low camera just did not capture the epic scale that The Lord of the Rings demands.

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I posted a couple screenies in the Widescreen section. No time for surround atm, but maybe I can do some "faux TH2G" playtesting later...

By the way General, now that I saw it in action again, I can confirm you were right : the CE dragon is just a different skin... ;)

By the way General, now that I saw it in action again, I can confirm you were right : the CE dragon is just a different skin... ;)

A skin change should be rather simple. I'll browse some of the texture archives.

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Maybe not that simple... The summoned dragon (CE or not) doesn't look like the 'dragstrike' texture at all, which is the same in the CE and regular version anyway. Can't find any other relevant texture in any .big file.

The dragon texture in the ws mod is the regular one by the way.

It's amazing how cautiously they seem to have "hidden" that texture. Needless to say, the additional maps are a much more essential feature of the CE so let's not catch a headache trying to sort this out ;)

What? Throw down a gauntlet and then say "Don't run it"? ;) :)

Besides, I think you might have found the treasure map:

The dragon texture in the ws mod is the regular one by the way.

The mod doesn't include any textures, but it does include a full set of the .ini files from ini.big, and those files are from my non-CE version of the game. Can you upload or send me the ini.big file from your CE version?

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Okay, I'll PM you when I finish uploading the file. There's a couple interesting entries in there actually, and in datainiobjectevilfactionunitsevilbeastssummoneddragon.ini I see this :

RandomTextureFixedRandomIndex = Yes
;// this set of replacements correspond (in number and in order) to ...
RandomTexture = SumnDragon_C.tga 0 SumnDragon_C.tga
RandomTexture = SumnDragonB_C.tga 0 SumnDragon_C.tga
RandomTexture = SumnDragonC_C.tga 0 SumnDragon_C.tga
RandomTexture = SumnDragonD_C.tga 0 SumnDragon_C.tga
RandomTexture = SumnDragonE_C.tga 0 SumnDragon_C.tga
;// ... this set
RandomTexture = SumnDragon2_C.tga 0 SumnDragon2_C.tga
RandomTexture = SumnDragonB2_C.tga 0 SumnDragon2_C.tga
RandomTexture = SumnDragonC2_C.tga 0 SumnDragon2_C.tga
RandomTexture = SumnDragonD2_C.tga 0 SumnDragon2_C.tga
RandomTexture = SumnDragonE2_C.tga 0 SumnDragon2_C.tga

:idea: :?:

Odd. I ran a text diff on the .ini files from your version and it came up with no differences with mine. :?

I caught a small tip on another forum, saying that the CE version comes with a different game2.dat file. Here's the MD5 hash from mine:
E82F5311F97750868DD18FCD5594C6D8

How does that compare to yours?

Do you only have the CE version? If I could compare all the files between the 2 versions it would probably help reveal the changes.

MD5 tool: http://www.elgorithms.com/downloads/chaosmd5.php

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Mine is : 4B38163D4001AFDF71783AEA5EA2F2D3 (here's the file)
Yes, I only have the CE.
Also don't forget I have a data3.big with only an empty mithriledition.txt in it; could this be a trigger for CE contents and maybe the RandomTexture replacements ?

There's a total of 4 different skins for the summoned dragon in Textures3.bigartcompiledtexturessusumndragonxxx.dds - looks like the CE version's "dalmation" skin is sumndragonc_c.dds and sumnddragonc2_c.dds , no idea what the others (green, gold...) are, I'll try some export/rename/import and see what it does...

Okay, I think I got it, at least partially. Not really pertaining to your mod or WS gaming so maybe I should post this on some BFME2 forum instead, but hey.

There are actually 5 different skins that consist of two 1024x1024 texture files (body & wings).

dragon_c.dds & dragon2_c.dds


dragonb_c.dds & dragonb2_c.dds


dragonc_c.dds & dragonc2_c.dds


dragond_c.dds & dragond2_c.dds


dragone_c.dds & dragone2_c.dds



So there are 5 different "summoned dragons", and each time you use that power there's a probability of getting each skin.
To verify this I used a trainer to "chain summon" dragons, and eventually got all flavors in both my not-modded CE and Widescreen Enhanced versions. BUT :
1) the first time you summon the dragon in a game, you always get the "default" skin (I'm not 100% sure though, maybe there's no default at all)
2) if you have the CE, dragon "c" replaces all others - as the "default" dragon at least.




Games where you summon several dragons are not that common I suppose (need lots of power points + cooldown time), so one'd think there's only one dragon skin available per version of BFME2 - except maybe in the rare event of a multiplayer game with several dragons of various colors summoned by different players. However even if you have the regular non-CE version of the game, it seems you have a chance of summoning dragon "c" just like any other - from your "second" summoned dragon on. The same probably applies to the CE : you always get dragon "c" first, then any skin can pop up if you use the power again.

Again that may not be 100% true, I'm a bit fed up of playtesting this :lol: (and trying to explain tings I'm not even sure of.. in english...) but in any event, if you really want to be sure summoned dragons will always have one specific skin, you can always rename or replace the relevant dds files (just watch that syntax ! All files are "_c" and "2" is for wings)...

Anyone toying with this, please post your results ;)

Great work, scav. I didn't suspect that the first summon would always be the standard skin, so I'll need to playtest again using multiple summons. Fortunately I can mod the regeneration value so the dragon can be summoned as quickly as I want. ;)

I have all those same skins in my non-CE .big file. Given that our .ini files also showed no differences, I'd say EA has done a fairly good job of hiding how the CE features work. We can crack it, though. :)

I don't have lots of time for modding ATM, but I'll get back to this when I can. If you feel like it, would you be willing to dump a directory list of your CE install folder into a .txt file and share it? PM me when you can. I'd like to compare all files/folders/sizes/dates with my non-CE version. No hurry, BTW.

Also, don't know if you have CnC: Zero Hour, but I put up a quick Triplehead fix for it here:
http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/node/9747

WAY more fun with such a huge view of the battlefield. :D

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I could use a little photoshop project GeneralAdmission.

If I can find the material I would like to see if I can create a new title screen for the TH version so you do not have to have that seperate efect and get that nice 3 screen span feel.

Can you send me any resources you have (like the current images your using, the title) and give me any guidelines as to what you need (the required resolution & file type, is the image in an off aspect ratio and gets streched, ect ect)

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Sounds good to me. You are talking about this splash screen, correct?:


I'd like to retain the Triplehead Enhanced title as-is, but you are welcome to change/recreate the background image(s). My 3-screen mashup way just a quick way to fix the horribly stretched regular splash screen. I've had it in the back of my mind to go back and improve/change it, especially since the transition lines don't line up exactly with my bezels for some reason, but I might never get around to it. I'd be happy to include your work in the mod, with credits, of course.

I'll collect the source assets and PM you with links and info, hopefully by the end of the day.

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Sounds good to me. You are talking about this splash screen, correct?:


I'd like to retain the Triplehead Enhanced title as-is, but you are welcome to change/recreate the background image(s). My 3-screen mashup way just a quick way to fix the horribly stretched regular splash screen. I've had it in the back of my mind to go back and improve/change it, especially since the transition lines don't line up exactly with my bezels for some reason, but I might never get around to it. I'd be happy to include your work in the mod, with credits, of course.

I'll collect the source assets and PM you with links and info, hopefully by the end of the day.

Yep thats the one, Id love to give a little hand in your great mod. The title looks great and in that image link its fine I just saw the "in action" shots of the old one and thought it was stretching for some reason so I was going to correct it so that it would not stretch if possible. Looks like you already did that though so I just need to see what kind of backdrop I can come up with.

Im assuming this is something we can just have as an optional download where the users can freely and easily change it within there files in addition to your already setup mod downloads. Maybe even have a choice of a few backdrops.

The best way to get a source maybe very well just to take some great in game screen shots that way its related to the game and the right resolution & aspect already.

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Im assuming this is something we can just have as an optional download where the users can freely and easily change it within there files in addition to your already setup mod downloads. Maybe even have a choice of a few backdrops.

It is possible to swap backgrounds whenever you want, but the process would be tedious to use with the way the mod is distributed. My guess is few people would want to bother with it.

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I had my first idea today, I found a 3d saurons eye screen saver deal that I could use. Power went out in my house soon as I started to work on it though so work was canceled for today.

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General, the BFMEII version of your command points mod doesn't seem to have any effect on my game... I tried Skirmish mode (Isengard), Campaign mode (Mordor) and War of the Ring (Elves).

Actually, in Skirmish mode (and probably MP too) there's a command points multiplier (up to 100x !) in the game's Rules... and it has no effect either (on buildings or killings), with or without your modded ini.big. So maybe it's just me :?

On a sidenote, would it be feasible to attach command points earnings to each and every building types, especially barracks ? That'd be much more "classical" RTS style and we wouldn't have to rely that much on farms for training big armies anymore.

ViciousXUSMC, if you're looking for photoshop action, the loading screens of the campaign mode maps could use some "tripleheading" too :P

General, the BFMEII version of your command points mod doesn't seem to have any effect on my game... I tried Skirmish mode (Isengard), Campaign mode (Mordor) and War of the Ring (Elves).

Does the RotWK version work? If so maybe your CE version of BFMEII is not playing nice. Do you have a dataini folder with tons of .ini files under the main directory? Delete or rename that folder to "hide" it from the engine so it uses only the ini.big file.

Did you try rebooting your PC or powering off your modem, counting to 10, then powering it back on? :wink: :P

Actually, in Skirmish mode (and probably MP too) there's a command points multiplier (up to 100x !) in the game's Rules... and it has no effect either (on buildings or killings), with or without your modded ini.big. So maybe it's just me Confused

Yes, I always use 100x to support massive armies, but that is altering the overall unit cap. Bumping CP per building lets you get to that 100x level a lot faster. ;)

On a sidenote, would it be feasible to attach command points earnings to each and every building types, especially barracks ? That'd be much more "classical" RTS style and we wouldn't have to rely that much on farms for training big armies anymore.

Yes, you could add your chosen CP value to any building you want by editing the .ini files. Just a matter of data hunting. :)

Depending on how the game is programmed this might handicap AI players (if they "think" that CP points only apply to farms, etc.).

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Okay, that was stupid : it didn't work because I had only renamed the original ini.big to iniBAK.big, which didn't really move it out of the way. (Stupid "hide extensions" thingy's fault, too.)

The BFMEII version works perfectly. The game crawls with 8000+ command points spent, but hey :lol:

Okay, that was stupid : it didn't work because I had only renamed the original ini.big to iniBAK.big, which didn't really move it out of the way. (Stupid "hide extensions" thingy's fault, too.)

haha...Explorer's insidious "help" features strike again. You should try xplorer2 lite, my fav file manager. Among other things, CTRL+F2 lets you rename filename and extension in a snap.

The BFMEII version works perfectly. The game crawls with 8000+ command points spent, but hey :lol:

Glad to hear it works now. I think I'll post a new thread in the Mod section just so it gets a little more exposure.

Massive armies do move like molasses. I once played a Zero Hour skirmish against 7 Hard Armies...took 2 days to finish the match. :D

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ok,i install this mod,is it,or will be ever posible to change angle of camera???